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Old 04-28-2006, 11:18 AM
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I am hoping that if Diesel becomes popular enough, we will see more bio available however, if the newer higher pressure injection systems have problems with it, that may not happen...
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Originally Posted by Chrisreyn
I am hoping that if Diesel becomes popular enough, we will see more bio available however, if the newer higher pressure injection systems have problems with it, that may not happen...
Hopefully the home bio production systems will come down in price as more people start making them.
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Oil companies have competitors?

Who are they? The only competition is between something like 5 oil companies and it works like this: I won't undercut your prices if you don't undercut mine. Deal?
Old 04-29-2006, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Shovelhead
In addition, I've seen reports that due to the properties of Ethanol, it can't be "piped" to the Distro farms like gasoline and diesel so it has to be transported via over the road truck and mixed on site.
Thats true & we get several tanker loads a day trucked in to the pipeline I load at & we don't even use it for any brand here except Arco.
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Sorry, but Diesel is, at least in my understanding, easier to produce than normal gasoline. Even if it´s low sulfur.

Here in Germany Diesel is around 20 €-cent lower compared to normal gasoline......and that is a liter which is roughly a quart (1.33 € for 95 octane, 1.13 € for Diesel, lowest gasoline is 1.31 € at the moment, 92 octane, around 1.40 for 100 octane). BUT (!!!) we have a lot more cars consuming diesel here, so it´s a different game compared to the USA. One thing will hopefully happen, more and more Americans will get a diesel in the future. Gasoline will still be a huge factor in the next 10 years, but diesel will rise.......just like it happened in Europe!!! Prices will get up the next years, for both types of fuel, especially if the Iran conflict goes on. Diesel and Gasoline will stay similar in price, otherwise your whole infrastructure will go mad. Just think about the big trucking companies which really don´t want the fuel price to go way up. Maybe diesel will go up for one or two years, but then the prices will become similar because of more people switching to diesel.

Just my 2 cents...
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Originally Posted by Northern Light
Sorry, but Diesel is, at least in my understanding, easier to produce than normal gasoline. Even if it´s low sulfur.

Here in Germany Diesel is around 20 €-cent lower compared to normal gasoline......and that is a liter which is roughly a quart (1.33 € for 95 octane, 1.13 € for Diesel, lowest gasoline is 1.31 € at the moment, 92 octane, around 1.40 for 100 octane).
Price has little to do with the difficulty of production. I suspect your taxing structure has much to do with the price because Europe is promoting the use of diesel engines since their higher efficiency lowers greenhouse gas emissions as required by the Kyoto accord.

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yeah taxes have alot to do with the price. here in idaho diesel is $3.10 gal. but if i drive 30 miles to oregon it is only $2.75. I feel like an idiot because i was over there saturday and forgot to fill up.
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Yes, you´re right, I just looked at a price chart and we have to pay a fixed amount of 65,96 Cent for one liter gasoline and 47,43 Cent for diesel. Add the price for the raw material (oil) and refining which is around 52 cent for one liter at the moment plus 16 % tax on top and you see why we have these high prices.
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I think ethanol at 10% should be a mandate.
No that would be a bad idea, ethanol makes cars run like crap, thats why I buy my gas at shell, cuz theres no ethanol, well I guess it dont matter now with these new emission standards, I believe 10% is now mandated.
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