The reason the Jeep diesel didn't stay around is "California" or CARB or "California Air Resources Board".

California is the biggest vehicle market of all the states. It won't let in the Jeep diesel, and thus this very fine offering can't be a "profit maker" for Chrysler/Jeep.

Other "blue states" have followed California's CARB rulings for emissions and in most cases these have been some large vehicle markets too.

I live in California, and have followed this overdone greenie trend that is ruining our state economically, and is having fall-out on the rest of the country.

Right now there would be many diesel powered P.U.s, SUV's, sedans, small cars etc.. rolling down U.S. roads if California hasn't killed the "profit" possibilities of both foreign and domestic vehicle makers that have very good, clean diesels to offer.

Just take a look at the stats and see how many cars, suv's, and trucks are purchased by Californians yearly and compare those stats to the other states sales. California's greenie government/governor/ and environmental agencies have single handedly hurt the entire country.

 

Well, if Cali has any hopes of being in the black someday, they will get rid of the things that are causing the huge loss in their taxbase. They are being bailed out by the Feds, and at some point the rest of the country will realize they aren't the golden child of the nation. More and more trucking companies are staying out of there, people, that are worth a darn, are leaving in droves, and the gov't can't see what the problem is. We will get the diesel cars we want, its just gonna take Commifornia falling off the west coast.
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I read that cummins was going to put it in the Nissan Titan...

 

that was the 4 cyl. that was going to get 28mpg. sorry not v8..

 

This thread makes me want to hold off trading in the 03 for an 11 till these come out. The prices of the Heavy Duty 2500 and 2500's should drop a bit with these on the market.

 

Fiat has been playing with VM Motori 2.8 liter turbo diesels, and has been running mules in the Dodge light trucks with various displacements of that engine up to 3.4 liters.

So far none will pass CARB, which puts them out of the California, Oregon, and Washington markets for the time being. So, it is highly doubtful Fiat will step up to the diesel plate in the light Dodges in the near future unless GM fronts their version of that engine in the US first to cover the certification costs and crack the political barrier of the anti-diesel mantra.

However, I would not rule out GM bringing that engine to the US in a small ute or pu GM product this next spring or fall.

GM purchased a significant interest in VM Motori from Penske, and is supplying similar engines all over Europe while testing them in the US. GM also has far less political fear of introducing diesels as an option as buyers give up on the phony electrics and hybrids as being too costly to the environment due to the long term hazardous pollutants associated with battery production.

 

I think they'd be more likely to put it in a Hyundai; Hyundai's now-defunct truck division, BERING, used Cummins B5.9s almost exclusively.

 

It'll fly right through CARB testing when Gubmint Motors puts it up for certification. They know better than anyone how to tweak things to make the EPA MPG ratings look better.

 

I don't think GM has less political fear of the Diesel-- at least not if you listen to Bob Lutz talk. I've seen recent interview of him stating that diesel is essentially over-hyped.

That, and since GM is almost singlehandedly responsible for the difficult market perception of diesels STILL present in the US, they'd have an uphill climb.

 

Hype is hype, and propaganda is propaganda.

GM is responsibile for diesel woes . . .

War is good for the economy . . .

Etc.

Whenever these excuses are trotted out, expect that there is much more to the story, usually someones profit.

American makers don't seem to have the small, high speed diesel expertise. The Japanese and Europeans do . . any wonder that the US has an "acceptance problem" (until the US makers catch up some).

The big PR firms play it both ways, and no public statements or releases are ever left to chance.

Saddam Hussein is a valued ally of the US (1983)
Saddam Hussein is the anti-christ (2003)


Etc.

We'll probably get them someday. The 400HP/1200-lb engine stupidity has to stop at some point.

 

I spent many hours arguing with the EPA about why they were putting more stringent emission requirement on diesels than even the European’s. It came down to collusion between the oil companies and the auto manufactures. They admitted to me (in writing) that those particular industries wrote a lot of the clean air act, and continue to influence EPA policy.
The current Tier 2 Bin 4 and upcoming Bin 5 regulations adopt a "fuel neutral" policy. In other words, they are requiring diesel fueled vehicles to have the same particulate output of a natural gas, gasoline, even a hydrogen powered vehicle.
This, of course is totally ridiculous.

 

Is there a point to this post, and is it directed at me?

GM's abortive 80s 5.7L diesel a big part of public rejection of diesels-- but not all of it.

Even recently, diesels can smoke and give the impression of being dirtier than other engines/fuels.

Here is Lutz talking about why diesels (in his opinion) aren't likely for the NA auto market.

 

i dont think these engines are going to come any time soon