[QUOTE=RCW;2696126]Ford has built diesels for over fifty years. Not for American pickups, but production engines with excellent life cycle performance for agricultural and heavy duty applications. More importantly, tons of European Ford automotive diesels have been on the road for decades.

I would not discount the new Ford diesel. They have had teams working on diesel engines for decades. Most development benefited Europe, but that was a matter of economics and uncertainty with US emission standards.

Like all big corporations, the bean counters kept Ford running to subs for non-mainstream engines with relatively low production numbers to save a buck.






It's true that Ford can make very good engines and that they have made some very good marine and agricultural engines. However, those are mainly simpler less stressed designs. And Ford has the habit of not only building things absolutely as cheap as possible, but then cheapening a good design until the failure rate gets too high. They also are famous for making stuff that must be replaed instead of serviced. With this philosophy they are building a brand new engine that is highly stressed and very complicated to immediately compete in a well established market. Unfortuantely, their high failure rate with many of their products costs the consumer a lot of money and down time. A good example of this is the 3.8 liter engine head gaskets. They almost all failed and it cost the car owner about $1,700. to repair them after the warrantee period. So, are we to believe that Ford doesn't know how to make a head gasket? Or that they cheaped out at the owners expense. Another example is the thin film ingition module that lead to deaths and a court order in a law suit. They knew it was a bad design. My buddy used to carry an extra with him wherever he went. My 6.9 diesel had the fuel injection pump go out and the shop showed me where Ford had cheapened the Internatiuonal design to save a few cents. My cost to repair it, $1,100.

First, I don't trust that approach to design and marketing, second I won't be the guinea pig.

So, I'm watching with interest to see how the new Scorpion works out, but I won't be buying one.

 

Seems like ALL Fords, whether gas or diesel, you've got a 50/50 shot of it being a lemon from the day you drive it off the lot new, or getting 70,000 miles out of it before everything falls apart.

Now there is the rare occasion somebody has 200K out of one, but stranger things have happened.

Heat is the #1 enemy of all things mechanical and electrical. Ford loves to shoe horn 10 pounds of fecal matter into 2 pound boxes under the hood of all their vehicles.

You can't beat the simplicity of an inline 6.

 

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Ford loves to shoe horn 10 pounds of fecal matter into 2 pound boxes under the hood of all their vehicles.

 

I would not have a current Ford diesel, but otherwise, I have always owned Fords, before this Dodge. I love my Dodge, but I have not experienced, nor has my brother who has owned two himself, a higher than normal amount of quality. I have never had bad luck with Fords, and certainly put more than 70,000 miles on them. In reality, Ford is no better and no worse than most other manufacturers. The 6.4 and 6.0 have been problematic to say the least, but look at the issues with Toyota now- no manufacturer is immune. Maybe you (speaking to the general masses) have had bad luck, but look at some of the posts on here- guys are so fed up with their Dodges, they are ready to move on to greener pastures. It is a low blow and immature to take shots at Fords, unless Dodge can have a spotless record. What Dodge with an automatic doesn't have a rebuild on the horizon? Most of them, unless it has already been done. How about the emissions stuff? KDP? Brakes? Headlight switches getting hot? Heater systems that don't work right? We drive these Dodges because we love them, not because they are impeccable quality.
Give Ford, and the rest, some credit, when it is due.

 

The biggest thing about Ford is the fact they are NOT government like controlled Dodge or GM. I believe Ford has on opportunity to blow past the government autos, I hope they don't blow it.

That will weight very heavy on my next truck purchase. I plan on keeping my 06 for at least 2 more years so I have time.

I have never been a Ford man but have been changing the past few years....it's been hard...sorry

 

Not the place for name calling.

We're all here to read, learn, and discuss our OPINIONS. This thread happens to be about Fords and that is my thought on them.

You are more than welcome to not agree with me, but please don't resort to calling me, or anyone else here, names.

Back to your regularly scheduled thread.

 

I saw the new engine, inside and out. I like the ford trucks....just not the engines, so I cant have one. If my ram 3500 is ever totalled, Ill buy it back and find a nice ford for the swap.

The new engine.......is a light weight. It may be rated at 400-750....I dont care. It cant really go anywhere. The turbo is in the middle of the block. So going bigger is impossible. Working on it seems like a greek tragidy. It certainly doesnt have the mass that the cummins is known for which is associated with its reliability.

The intake goes in the outside of the head, the exhuast comes out the center to the turbo right above the valvetrain.

More power? My 98 12 vavle makes way way way more then 400-750.....infact closer to double, so in another 200-300 k miles I ll check and see if anyone has caught up. Untill then, Ill keep my 12 valve and its ability to pull 40k lbs and get good mileage doing it.

 

It ford would have done an Navistar I-6(long ago) and kept the manual I would own a king ranch version, that said I will keep my 24V even with is crappy Vp.

 

You are complaining about the power a very badly overloaded vehicle has??
49,000 pounds is a load for a SEMI!!

 

Apparently you need to learn how to comprehend what you are reading I never once complained about the power of my 06 or my 06's towing ability

All I am saying is 400hp and 700 tq would be enough power for me, so I could leave the engine stock. Then you have the brilliant minds that say if 350/650 can't pull it nothing can more power wont help

 

This is your exact words, you did say that your truck does not have enough power.
Also, Dodge would & should void your warrantee for severely overloading the truck like that, so you don't need to worry about voiding it with a tuner anyway.

See above, I can comprehend what you said just fine.
I also had a truck driver in the room reading this thread when I replied who I asked for an opinion on that load.
You need a semi tractor to pull that load & even that would get a workout.
(Yes, we did research & calculate the weight of that load)

Now, please try comprehending what you really need to pull that load.
You do not need more HP for that job, you need more truck!!!

You need about 450 hp for that load, but it should be wrapped up in a semi tractor, not a 1 ton truck.

 

bad thing about that is i have done that load with a old dt466 with 180hp
it isn't the power it is how it is used

it was in a 89 int 4900 and yes i was in a field but then i got on the highway and did 56mph with the same load (was the top speed of the truck and took all 18 gears to do it ) if you are having that much problems with 350 you need to rethink what and how you are doing the work you are doing
if all you want is speed you need to get out of the hauling biz first and foremost this is not a job for fast impatient people

 

Read it again I said "I would have a hard time buying a 6.7" Look at my Signature I have a 06 5.9
I have a friend the that has a 07 6.7L and pulls the same load and it does ok. Another 50 ponies and it would do great.
My 06 didn't have enough power when it was stock In my opinion. The stock power difference between the 06 5.9 and 07 6.7 is noticeable. I am sure a extra 50hp over the current 6.7 would be noticeable as well.

 

Look at my Signature do you really think my truck only has 350hp

Not in the hauling Biz, I'm just not paying someone $20,000 a year to haul it for me.
I load 38K when I am on the highway and have no problem going the speed limit. Been pulled over by DOT and weighted and inspected and have been
told have a nice day Now before you jump me about you have to be Abel to stop it. I know it is hard to see in the picture but there is a reason I went with triple duals on the trailer.
Just so you know,I am looking for a 05/06 379 Peterbilt EXHD with a Cummins 600 But I will still have to use my pickup in some areas because of the terrain.

 

I agree. I have had many Fords, my family has had many Fords, and they have always been a good product. No vehicle is perfect and I accept that. Everyone needs to keep in mind that the 04.5 and newer Cummins engine has a much higher failure rate than any of the previous B series. It's certainly not perfect. It's just a factor of the power wars and the new emissions regulations.