Exactly! If Dodge lost their minds and decided to split with Cummins and build their own motor, I wouldn't want to buy Dodge's first diesel either. "First diesel" and "reliable" do not usually describe the same engine...

 

I would have a hard time buying a 6.7 cummins with 350hp and 650tq. When I could get a Ford with 400hp and 700tq.

The current power ratings on the cummins isn't enough for my trailers,400 hp is. So do I buy a truck put a tuner on it and void the warranty in the first 100 miles. Or buy the one I can leave stock and keep the warranty??

With all the emission crap on the new trucks I don't really want to void the warranty. Like I did on my current truck. I really hope Ram wakes up and matches the power.

 

Didn't Ford build diesels in tractors? I could be wrong.

 

There are diesel engines out there with ford on them but they were not designed by ford.

 

What kind of trailers are you pulling that you need 400hp? Sure it will get up to speed faster, but there are medium duty trucks with less power than that that haul/pull more than whatever a 3500 can.

 

....... If your Cummins is having a hard time pulling your trailers with 350 HP (only 50 less rated) and 650tq (only 50 less rated) the new V8 FORD will not do it any better. You need to look into getting some gears for your RIG and not worry about the programmer that will VOID your warranty .....

FORD has made great Gas engines over the past 10 years and I feel that this new Diesel HAS to be better than what they were getting from Navistar/INT. This engine must produce day in and out for the Die hard FORD Crowd or there will be no more die hard Ford Diesel guys. I have talked with so many PSD Owners and they are so sick of the Crap from Ford that many have converted to Dodge or GM. When you NEED a truck to work for you everyday and you are making the bills with it. A 6.0 or a 6.4 Powerstroke is not the path of least resistance. Right now the Cummins Powered Dodge is the best option for this. Then Duramax and the PSD bringing up the rear. Ford makes some nice trucks but until the new Diesel is proven I would stay away from it. This new motor could be the best thing ever made by Ford....WHY....FORD has learned allot of lessons on HOW to build a engine and they are putting that into these new 6.7l Scorpion Diesels. We will see in the near future what they can do. Good Luck to FORD...... Goverment Motors and FIAT will lose allot of customers if this goes as planned

 

[QUOTE=RAMRODD;2695977]I would have a hard time buying a 6.7 cummins with 350hp and 650tq. When I could get a Ford with 400hp and 700tq.

The current power ratings on the cummins isn't enough for my trailers,400 hp is.


You are the perfect tester for Ford. A 350 HP Cummins is not enough, but a 400 HP Ford is. You're the one we all want to watch in the hills. Watch so we can avoid the flying parts from a brand new design that is unproven and must be run at full power.

Sooner or later Ford will probably get one right. Are you ready to test it at your expense, and pass over a proven Cummins, for a claimed 50 HP? While you're clmbing that grade, some smart aleck will go flying by in his Dodge with a Smarty.

Ford loyalty knows no boundaries and it's fun to watch.

Good luck.

 

It's not only about speed it is about power and traction to pull out of a soft field.
Medium duty trucks suck, no power, no fuel milage, and no 4 wheel drive.

50hp and 50tq does make a difference when you are pulling a load. You would understand this if your Hemi truck hauled more then groceries
Trust me my truck has everything it needs to smoke 99% of the trucks out there. But to be honest I am getting tired of modding trucks and for the next one I just want to get the one with the most power and best warranty right out of the box.

So apparently anything above 350hp and 650tq is a waste??

 

Ford has built diesels for over fifty years. Not for American pickups, but production engines with excellent life cycle performance for agricultural and heavy duty applications. More importantly, tons of European Ford automotive diesels have been on the road for decades.

I would not discount the new Ford diesel. They have had teams working on diesel engines for decades. Most development benefited Europe, but that was a matter of economics and uncertainty with US emission standards.

Like all big corporations, the bean counters kept Ford running to subs for non-mainstream engines with relatively low production numbers to save a buck.

The continued problems with reliability of the Powerstroke, the inability to strike a deal with other subs, and Ford's intention to stay in the light truck diesel market has finally brought the concept of a Ford diesel engine to the forefront in the US.

I look for good things from Ford, right along with their intention to stay a leader in the US diesel pickup field.

I view the new Super Duty to be the make or break for Ford in this market segment, and suspect they do too!

 

the 4500 & 5500 are considered med duty trucks and are available in 4x. what dodge needs to do is increase its GCVWR to 33k to match ford.
the down side is the regs placed on them by some states like CA. don't know how much weight you are hauling. i have no problems at 26k combined weight.

but sounds like ford is for you, you aren't happy with dodge. real 50 hp difference and with med duty 95hp dif makes a bunch of difference. the 22" tires are killing your performance.

 

There is a reason why I switched to the dodge/Cummins after owning Fords since 1978 & being a die hard Ford fan; You will not see me being the guinea pig for Fords new 6.7. I'll stay with the Dodge/Cummins combo; more than satisfied with this truck, I use it for work every day, I like the I-6, the torque, easier to work on, never in the shop, my PSD was always in the shop. Like said, if your 350 hp cummnins is not pulling your trailer, maybe yu need a medium duty truck, the Ford 6.7 won't pull it either, & if it does, you'll need a rebuild in 20k miles anyway.

 

if your like me and do 99% of your own repairs then fords r not even considered.......I would like to c a poll on how many ford diesels r dumped into the used car market after their warranty runs out vs. dodges..I have a few friends right now getting rid of their 04 and 05 powerstrokes cause their warranty is running out and their tired of having their engine constantly being repaired/replaced...they know they wont be able to afford them when warranty is over after looking at the mechanic repair time sheets. Now if they made those trucks with tilt cabs on them i might consider them.

 

What is a real big shame is the derated power on the 4500/5500. I think everyone understands that the more power and the harder use the quicker a engine is going to wear out. I don't need the engine to last 400,000 miles because the truck body is shot well before 200,000.

The 22.5 are not killing my performance it just lowered the Rpms so now I get better fuel mileage and I don't need to stop for tires every 18,000 miles
I did pull with stock tires so I do know how my truck pulled before

Where did I say I was unhappy with my truck?? I have over 85,000 miles licensed in ND for 38,000 pounds, pull 38/39K all the time and have no problem holding 80 if I want to with egts around 1100-1200
Tried out a 08 M2 freightliner this last fall for hauling hay. I went to a field I have a hard time pulling out of with my Dodge in 4 wheel drive. Didn't get one load out with the M2 without a chain. And that 5.5mpg was a little less then 8.5 with the dodge.

The picture below is right around 49,000K and involves no public roads (before anybody decides to complain) but it is a 5 mile haul
My next truck just might be a proven Dodge/cummins but it sure doesn't mean I am not going to look at and consider another brand of truck that does have a higher power and tow rating.

 

I worked at a Ford dealership for 8 years until just recently. Drove a dodge the whole time. After the problems I saw with the 6.0 and 6.4, I'd rather drive a Cummins with a voided warranty, than a Powerstroke with a warranty. When the new motors came out, we were told each went through 10 million miles of testing, both real world and simulated, and that they were great motors. We all know how that turned out.
Having said that, I don't think Ford will make that mistake a third time, especially with the headway they have made in the realiabilty in their vehicles.

 

Very true about the fords being dumped because of the warranty running out. Used power strokes for sale are everywhere but yet they still bring more then a used cummins when you can find one.

I can't complain about our 05 F350 only repairs so far is the plastic intercooler end cap cracking and the plastic pipe after the intercooler cracking.
My buddy has a 03 6.0 F350 He bought it used with 40,000 miles but the 5 year 100,000 was up in less then a month. I told him he was crazy to buy it. But it has been a good truck 150,000 miles +. Last winter put a new 4inch exhaust turbo back on it because the cat plugged. Other then that nothing but oil and fuel filters. (And this truck pulls a trailer 5 days a week)