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Old 03-08-2008 | 11:47 PM
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Diesel Prices Petition, Please Show your Support

http://www.petitiononline.com/CFP001/petition.html
Old 03-09-2008 | 12:08 AM
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Wow, are you dreaming! Don't waste your time on such a futile exercise.

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Old 03-09-2008 | 12:26 AM
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No need to sign it.

Just realize that fuel is a luxury and use it in moderation.

Thats the only way to curve the price, we are an economy that runs off of supply and demand.
Old 03-09-2008 | 12:51 AM
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Timmay2 "fuel is a luxury" ????

Without this luxury how would you go to work? How would the goods that you by at the stores get there, that you drive to get to? This economy runs on fuel it is not a luxury it is a necessity if there was none we would grind to a halt!!

Yes it might not help or do a bit of good, but every bit helps so I have signed the petition. It is just like voting if you don't vote don't b*tch about the polititions, well this is the same way if you don't try something to help don't b*tch about the price you pay at the pump.
Old 03-09-2008 | 01:47 AM
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Timmay2 "fuel is a luxury" ????

Without this luxury how would you go to work? How would the goods that you by at the stores get there, that you drive to get to? This economy runs on fuel it is not a luxury it is a necessity if there was none we would grind to a halt

Yes it might not help or do a bit of good, but every bit helps so I have signed the petition. It is just like voting if you don't vote don't b*tch about the polititions, well this is the same way if you don't try something to help don't b*tch about the price you pay at the pump.
I agree that fuel is what drives our system, but.......

This is not like voting at all. Voting is the only way we have of making a true change or voicing our opinions in a recognizable and countable way, within the system, that really matters.

This petition carries no weight and sounds like a plea. It makes false or controversial claims that may have nothing to do with the problem or the solution. Why put any hope in something like this? You're wasting your time with this.

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Old 03-09-2008 | 10:41 AM
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Fuel Prices

Sounds like an oil company, stock holder.

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Old 03-09-2008 | 10:52 AM
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Supply and demand,has little to do with the totaly unreasonable price of diesel,It's the idiot fear mongers on wall street that are the main problem. Any reason they can dream up,is used to jack up oil prices.
Old 03-09-2008 | 01:03 PM
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Horse and buggy...only fuel they need is food and water
Old 03-09-2008 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Raspy
I agree that fuel is what drives our system, but.......

This is not like voting at all. Voting is the only way we have of making a true change or voicing our opinions in a recognizable and countable way, within the system, that really matters.

This petition carries no weight and sounds like a plea. It makes false or controversial claims that may have nothing to do with the problem or the solution. Why put any hope in something like this? You're wasting your time with this.

John
Actually, it's worse than wasting time. It encourages conspiracy theorists while blasting everybody in sight, government, big oil, and the Sierra Club included. A frank discussion, free from lobbyist agendas, and a reasoned and rational approach by our politicians is the only thing that is going to help in the long term.

I am not optimistic that will happen in my lifetime.
Old 03-09-2008 | 01:55 PM
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No need to sign it.
Thats the only way to curve the price, we are an economy that runs off of supply and demand.

Hmm, then why are fuel supplies the highest they have been in 14 years while prices are hitting records too?

Supply is high relative to demand. The price should drop, end of story.

The system is broken with Big Oil and Wall Street reaping the benefits. Everyone needs housing. Everyone needs fuel. Well, they sunk the housing so let's move on to fuel! I'll stop now lest I get all political.
Old 03-09-2008 | 05:31 PM
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It seems that there is a huge amount of speculative investment going on in the oil market. People banking on higher prices. The demand is not driving it as much as investers are.

While it is sickening to see this outrageous pricing and the effect it has on the entire country, I'm not surprised. The system does not work on good will, sympathy or kindness. It's money, money money. And until the perception changes to one of oil as a bad investment or somehow the pricing bubble bursts, (like the housing market bubble) the price will be as high as the market can bear.

I hate it, but I still go when I want and pump in a hundred dollars or so a week. I'd gladly join a boycott if it could be affective but there is no way that Americans could ever join together enough to make it work.

This is teetering on the edge of political so I'll stop here.

John
Old 03-09-2008 | 07:44 PM
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Sounds like an oil company, stock holder.
So why don't you buy some shares and reap the benefits yourself?

Here we go again "big oil big oil". Take the time you spent "signing" and online petition and do some searching on WHY the prices are at the level they are. It has less to do with the price of crude as it has to do with the taxes. So instead of complaining about the 8% profit the oil company makes off your fuel for doing ALL THE WORK and complain to your Govt. (that's as political as I'm going to get to keep the thread alive) Click here to find out more about how much the Govt. makes for doing absolutely no work and taking no risk.
Old 03-09-2008 | 07:45 PM
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I think the only way to control prices at this point would be legislation. Even then, because we rely so much on foreign oil, it might be an exercise in futility.
Old 03-09-2008 | 08:20 PM
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I think the only way to control prices at this point would be legislation. Even then, because we rely so much on foreign oil, it might be an exercise in futility.
But we don't rely so much on foreign oil, its something less than 25% that comes from OPEC, and most of the oil we use is Canadian. We legislate our own supplies into "off limits" areas.

But thats not all. We rely on trucks to do long haul duty across the country. We should go with rail transport, and cut our fuel use by 25% nationally.

Plus we like to drive everywhere. Maybe we should start using light rail transit in urban areas.

Right now, I live 150 yards from a rail line that runs 15 miles, and goes within 200 yards of my workplace. But they run one train a day, and its freight. If I could leave my vehicle at home and take the train, I'd gladly pay $15 a week for a rail pass. If 100 of us that do the same commute got a rail car to do this, I'm sure it wouldn't cost the $1500 that the tickets would generate.



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