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04-01-2008, 11:18 AM
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From the Ford based forum...The Diesel Stop...
ULSD EPA truth?
Read this article, it's almost 200 pages long but well worth the read.
The EPA knew well in advance that ULSD would
1. Reduce energy by 2%
2. Reduce efficiency by 4%
3. Raise the price by 8 cents for the processing.
4. Raise the price by 7 cents for the regulation!!!!!!!!!!!!
Read chapter #2 Efficiency and cost, Chapter #5 Short term impacts. Chapter #6 mid term impacts.
There is also a bunch mentioned about states having their own private EPA throwing the entire thing into a mess. Thank you California for having their own state masquerading as a country.
Look at table 15 if you really want a shock. The EPA claimed that ULSD would have the following effect on 1999 priced. Obviously we would have to adjust for 2008-2009 prices. Are ya ready?
Regulation 6.7 cents
Capital investment costs 7.6 cents
Revamp costs 6.9 cents
10% down grade costs 7.1 cents (some ULSD will be downgraded to LSD)
Efficiency loss 6.7 cents
Energy loss 7.0 cents
Imports not meeting new spec 8.1 cents
By their own estimates the effect would be $.50 a gallon on to the price.
Now where in the world was that little tid-bit hidden in the drive by media reports.
Read here
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/FTPROOT/ser...iaf2001-01.pdf
ULSD EPA truth?
Read this article, it's almost 200 pages long but well worth the read.
The EPA knew well in advance that ULSD would
1. Reduce energy by 2%
2. Reduce efficiency by 4%
3. Raise the price by 8 cents for the processing.
4. Raise the price by 7 cents for the regulation!!!!!!!!!!!!
Read chapter #2 Efficiency and cost, Chapter #5 Short term impacts. Chapter #6 mid term impacts.
There is also a bunch mentioned about states having their own private EPA throwing the entire thing into a mess. Thank you California for having their own state masquerading as a country.
Look at table 15 if you really want a shock. The EPA claimed that ULSD would have the following effect on 1999 priced. Obviously we would have to adjust for 2008-2009 prices. Are ya ready?
Regulation 6.7 cents
Capital investment costs 7.6 cents
Revamp costs 6.9 cents
10% down grade costs 7.1 cents (some ULSD will be downgraded to LSD)
Efficiency loss 6.7 cents
Energy loss 7.0 cents
Imports not meeting new spec 8.1 cents
By their own estimates the effect would be $.50 a gallon on to the price.
Now where in the world was that little tid-bit hidden in the drive by media reports.
Read here
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/FTPROOT/ser...iaf2001-01.pdf
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As if that was not enough then to pass higher emission levels knowing full well that more fuel will be used to "clean" the air...you can thank Al Gore-leoni and all the tree hugger con-men for that....and the congress does the bums rush to the oil companies...It is all a choreography...each member of the play get his que's and lines from the next guy as to what to say and do to make it sound believable. Trouble is you got straight faced politicians that have all had face lifts and do it NOT for the benevolence of society, but for their own greed, either with swiss bank accounts or with prommises of future employment with some government contractor. 
Uncle Sam does not care about the people, only for the perpetuation and good of themselves .
Uncle Sam does not care about the people, only for the perpetuation and good of themselves .
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As if that was not enough then to pass higher emission levels knowing full well that more fuel will be used to "clean" the air...you can thank Al Gore-leoni and all the tree hugger con-men for that....and the congress does the bums rush to the oil companies...It is all a choreography...each member of the play get his que's and lines from the next guy as to what to say and do to make it sound believable.
Unfortunately, the vast majority or people are like sheep: They're happy to mill around the pasture, but can be just as easily herded into the shearer's stall...or the butcher's pen as long as somebody resembling a shepherd is nice enough to show them the way.
Most of the Jews killed by the ***** initially went along willingly. It wasn't until it was too late did they realize what was going on.
04-01-2008, 05:55 PM
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just wait a few days- al gore has a new global warming ad/media campaign coming out-wait until you see the commercials!!!-one commercial has pat robertson and al shaprton together!! what a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!
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04-02-2008, 05:57 PM
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You're missing the entire story. Sulfur and particulate matter (soot) in diesel exhaust is well proven to cause respiratory problems. In the long run you end up paying more in increased taxes and higher insurance premiums to treat the sick than you do in increased fuel prices.
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according to a stanford university study, when ethanol emissions react with ozone in the air, the result is far more hazardous to the respiratory systems of the young, elderly, and those with pre-existing conditions, than regular old high sulphur diesel. so why was it so imperative to implement ulsd (at a substantial cost to the consumer) in the name of better air/health, while they had no issues spending billions of taxpayer $$$ pushing ethanol, which was found to be hazardous to the air and people's health?
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wow absolutely amazing, welcome to the new warmer world. were lies and deceit rule and honesty and truth dont exist. i like the " its no longer global warming it global climate change" freakin great. hahahahahha
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according to a stanford university study, when ethanol emissions react with ozone in the air, the result is far more hazardous to the respiratory systems of the young, elderly, and those with pre-existing conditions, than regular old high sulphur diesel. so why was it so imperative to implement ulsd (at a substantial cost to the consumer) in the name of better air/health, while they had no issues spending billions of taxpayer $$$ pushing ethanol, which was found to be hazardous to the air and people's health?
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From the Ford based forum...The Diesel Stop...
ULSD EPA truth?
Read this article, it's almost 200 pages long but well worth the read.
The EPA knew well in advance that ULSD would
1. Reduce energy by 2%
2. Reduce efficiency by 4%
3. Raise the price by 8 cents for the processing.
4. Raise the price by 7 cents for the regulation!!!!!!!!!!!!
Read chapter #2 Efficiency and cost, Chapter #5 Short term impacts. Chapter #6 mid term impacts.
There is also a bunch mentioned about states having their own private EPA throwing the entire thing into a mess. Thank you California for having their own state masquerading as a country.
Look at table 15 if you really want a shock. The EPA claimed that ULSD would have the following effect on 1999 priced. Obviously we would have to adjust for 2008-2009 prices. Are ya ready?
Regulation 6.7 cents
Capital investment costs 7.6 cents
Revamp costs 6.9 cents
10% down grade costs 7.1 cents (some ULSD will be downgraded to LSD)
Efficiency loss 6.7 cents
Energy loss 7.0 cents
Imports not meeting new spec 8.1 cents
By their own estimates the effect would be $.50 a gallon on to the price.
Now where in the world was that little tid-bit hidden in the drive by media reports.
Read here
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/FTPROOT/ser...iaf2001-01.pdf
ULSD EPA truth?
Read this article, it's almost 200 pages long but well worth the read.
The EPA knew well in advance that ULSD would
1. Reduce energy by 2%
2. Reduce efficiency by 4%
3. Raise the price by 8 cents for the processing.
4. Raise the price by 7 cents for the regulation!!!!!!!!!!!!
Read chapter #2 Efficiency and cost, Chapter #5 Short term impacts. Chapter #6 mid term impacts.
There is also a bunch mentioned about states having their own private EPA throwing the entire thing into a mess. Thank you California for having their own state masquerading as a country.
Look at table 15 if you really want a shock. The EPA claimed that ULSD would have the following effect on 1999 priced. Obviously we would have to adjust for 2008-2009 prices. Are ya ready?
Regulation 6.7 cents
Capital investment costs 7.6 cents
Revamp costs 6.9 cents
10% down grade costs 7.1 cents (some ULSD will be downgraded to LSD)
Efficiency loss 6.7 cents
Energy loss 7.0 cents
Imports not meeting new spec 8.1 cents
By their own estimates the effect would be $.50 a gallon on to the price.
Now where in the world was that little tid-bit hidden in the drive by media reports.
Read here
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/FTPROOT/ser...iaf2001-01.pdf
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according to a stanford university study, when ethanol emissions react with ozone in the air, the result is far more hazardous to the respiratory systems of the young, elderly, and those with pre-existing conditions, than regular old high sulphur diesel. so why was it so imperative to implement ulsd (at a substantial cost to the consumer) in the name of better air/health, while they had no issues spending billions of taxpayer $$$ pushing ethanol, which was found to be hazardous to the air and people's health?
04-03-2008, 12:43 PM
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I though the USA burned more gas then diesel being they get more gas per barrel of oil then they do diesel fuel. Also now that they make ULSD it can be re-refined and turn it in to gas when the gas supply is low.
Here is some info about ULSD to Gas: To meet growing demand in the Midwest, Flint Hills Resources recently completed a project that increased its Minnesota refining capacity by 50,000 barrels per day. The refinery also completed one of its largest projects ever in May 2006. This $350 million project allowed the refinery to produce ultra low-sulfur diesel fuels and convert diesel fuel to gasoline to meet market demand.
Here is some info about ULSD to Gas: To meet growing demand in the Midwest, Flint Hills Resources recently completed a project that increased its Minnesota refining capacity by 50,000 barrels per day. The refinery also completed one of its largest projects ever in May 2006. This $350 million project allowed the refinery to produce ultra low-sulfur diesel fuels and convert diesel fuel to gasoline to meet market demand.