Tonight my friends and I were on our way back to our house from bowling at Cal Poly (students down here) and campus police pulled us over. We were in my friends Ford 2004 6.0 4x4 CCSB 4in lift 33"tires straight exhaust, AFE Pro 7 Stg 2 intake, EGR delete, and SCT programming on it. The turbo has reworked internals to a 62/70 stg2 vgt hybrid but stock external housing. The cop pulled us over because it was loud "sounded like a jet when you took off". Mind you he was going very easy off a stop sign and we weren't going more than 10mph when he pulled us over. He asked if anything was CARB legal and if anything had numbers on it. Then asked when the last time the truck was smog checked. By this time I was able to figure he was a moron, yet more than capable of writing up some kind of ticket. He ended up letting us off with a warning on mudflaps, and to "look into it" regarding noise and aftermarket accessories.

In light of this incident, I want to get a post going concerning what legally we can have done to our trucks and what is actually vulnerable to attack if we have it on there. I know programmers and injectors probably aren't legal but are they for sure? where does it say? what law? Same with intake and exhaust? What years need mufflers and what years need more, cats, resonators, etc. And what about emissions testing or smoke tests?? Noise tests?? Finally what about drivers rights; can you say "no" to the officer if he asks you to open the hood? What type of proof of legality do you need to have to refute a bogus claim when the officer makes one? (like the smog crap)

Any stories or websites or general knowledge thats factual would be great! I'm curious and want to know what's going on. I never got any trouble back home so never paid it any attention. Thanks in advance, hope others take interest in this as much as me.
TNutcher

 

anyone?

 

I say leave that crappy state. Pretty soon there will be nothing but dependents and illegals. Too bad the liberals and the government have ruined it.

 

As long as the truck is 07.5 or older there are no regulations on the exhaust system. 07.5 and newer require the factory smog equipment to remain (IE: DPF and EGT valve if equipped). http://www.bar.ca.gov/ Chips are illegal. They are for race vehicles only according to the CHP. http://www.leginfo.ca.gov Also according to the CHP there are no smoke laws on the books other than a vehicle that constantly smokes (does not stop while driving or idling). Also do to the race laws (rice burners thank you) in California they can ask you to open your hood and look under the vehicle at anytime to do a visual inspection.

 

On `96 and up cal. trucks that have catalitic converters,and egr systems, they HAVE to be there. it`s a state and federal offence to remove ANY smog equipment all the way back to 1966. the vehicles from 1966 to 1975 are not required to do bi-annual smog inspections, but if you flunk any cop`s attitude test, and he sees that you`ve removed any smog equipment,( like a crome air cleaner in stead of the hot air stock air cleaner) you`re in for a REALLY expensive ticket. starting in 2010 ALL `98 and up diesel trucks in cal. are being required to do the bi-annual smog inspection. NO weight limits! the test will be for the smog shop to plug their smog machine into the OBD2 plug under the dash, to check for "chips" or non stock programs in the computer, do a visual under the hood, for EGR and any other smog devices, and under the truck for catalitic converter and dpf if required. they will not run the truck on the rollers, but will do a snap test to check for smoke. the trucks will be required to be checked by the last didget in the vin. even number = 2010 odd number = 2011. the too loud ticket for removing the muffler is a subjective test and up to the officer, but to get it cleared you get to go see a smog refferee and they set up a decibil meter so far from the vehicle, rev it up and if it`s too loud, the ticket sticks. so check all the after market air cleaners, mufflers, programers, etc, to be sure that they have a c.a.r.b. eo#. things are getting tight in cal, and a bunch of other states. I got this info from the B.A.R. referee where I used to work. use it as you see fit. you`ll probably get away with more stuff on a loud noise stop if you do not flunk the officer`s attitude test. LOL!!!!

 

wow that would be a pain in the butt to do the smoke tests and smog checks. Yeah this late great golden state sure does crawl with the liberals. It had to start coming though, i'm sure. Some chucklehead thinks its Bad to have his truck throw tons of smoke whenever and does it in front of the wrong person... whoops there goes making our trucks quicker and more efficient for the right reasons.

Some interesting stuff thanks for that. I'd found online talk about the sound regulations, where it is under 95 or 98 decibels at upper mid range throttle in neutral about 2ft from the tailpipe. But then that that only applied to vehicles under 6500lbs... I'm not sure they know what's solid but i do agree with the cops attitude test.

As for the checking under the hood, i hate that. I don't let ANYone look under my hood.
TNutcher

 

Dang I left just in time.

 

heard from a few people recently that CARB plates/stickers and their number information ONLY applies to gasoline motors. Anyone know if this is true or not?

Also the question of legality of running propane and water/meth injection on the road came up the other day when talking to a good friend of mine. I know that nitrous is illegal to run on the street and the bottle and lines can't be connected but what about propane and what about water/meth systems.
Thanks
TNutcher

 

More Cal. nightmares are coming for vehicles of all types. The eco-****'s who currently set the regulations have been sharpening their knives for us for awhile. And the Police will enforce the laws--whatever they are. This is why I left Cal. for the midwest.

 

What are the chances your average cop will know whats not factory under your hood? Other than having a box on the fuse panel like an Edge or Quad? Injectors are hidden, turbos all look the same (for the most part). Might see the intake or exhaust. Thats about it.

 

true the 'average cop' wouldn't know much different from factory or aftermarket accessories other than the blatant ones like you said, but then again the 'average cop' isn't the cop that will ask to open up the hood, it'll be the guy that knows what he's looking for.

 

again, I agree that is probabily true, but the average cop isnt gonna care...

he is gonna issue the ticket out of ignorance and let the court and B.A.R referee sort it out...if it sticks good for him if it doesnt he could careless.

its the owners responsibility to know the law and play by the rules...not the cops.

My experience is just that EXPERIENCE...look at my photos...you will see a nice modded gasser....EVERYTHING on there is 100% CA smog legal...I have the EO numbers ON MY TRUCK to prove it...twice I have been pulled over, twice I have been asked to pop the hood, and TWICE I have been issued tickets...I pull up the fan shroud and show the cop's the 8 or so EO numbers taped down to the shroud and they issued tickets both times and gave me the "take it to a smog referee" response.

take it for what its worth...WE NOW LIVE IN CUBA

NCA

PS...I forgot to mention...my buddy had to get his "new to him" 06 mega smogged...it took him almost 2 hrs of phone calls and 45 min drive to get it done and even then the idiot running the smog, ( and my buddy for that matter) didnt relize there was a smarty on 5 programmed and running....the truck according to my buddy did give off a bit of smoke and the guy said "is that normal" after the snap test...what do you think the anwser was...."YEP" and a small talk session later he was issued his "PASS" he purchased a 06 mega in NEW MEXICO and drove it back on the 10th of this month....new law says that "NEW VEHICLE purchases or Change of ownership purchases, will smog as of JAN 1 2010, regular smog is to begin in MARCH/APRIL"

 

I'll disagree. If you lived in Cuba, everyone would have healthcare. Just saying . . .

 

Yeah, their drug companies create and patent a lot of life-saving drugs.

 

I'll keep my current situation.....rather than take CUBA'S healthcare...ohhh wait smoke and mirriors which is someones form of Transparencey and back room deals will get me there soon enough....just saying

we now live in CUBA

NCA

But seriously on TOPIC..I was holding out up untill a few nights ago when I got the news that SMOG was happening, because my rig is for sale locally and I am negoicating for the purchase of another CTD....98 12v QC LB and or an 03 24v QC LB HO....

one thing that hasnt been made clear is like gasoline vehicles will the seller be responsible for the smog on the sale or will the new owner be responsible, my buddy as the purchaser of the truck was responsible but that could be a different story, becasue he brough in a vehicle from another state...that is an initial registration in the state.

ANY THOUGHTS