I currently drive a 2007 5.9L, 6-spd, 4x4, 2500 quad cab. I have about 86,000 miles on it.

I am seriously considering updrading to a 2011 when they are available. Do you all think it is worth it or am I better off keeping the 5.9L a few more years?

Thanks.

 

Personally I'm going to wait a couple of years until they revamp the engine with urea injection, and hopefully take away some of the EGR and DPF crap that is choking the current model. I think that's supposed to happen in 2013 or 2014 model years...

If they go with urea PLUS the EGR and DPF, then my current truck in my sig is probably the last diesel I'll ever own, and I'll work hard on ensuring I have it for a long time. I love diesels, but they're killing the efficiencies inherent to diesels and making them not much more than gassers with compression ignition systems. Thanks EPA...

After the demise of my current Dodge I'll have to look at a gasser of some kind - probably Ford or Dodge - the latest iterations of their gassers (I'm talking the upcoming 6.2L Ford and the current 5.7L Hemi) develop more horsepower, and almost the same torque as my old 7.3L powerstroke, and that thing pulled anything I needed to pull. And empty the current Dodge Hemi is getting about 1.5 mpg less that I was getting in that Ford... I know I'd take a hit towing, but not that much...

Right now, I'm just hoping they go with the urea and dial back the EGR and DPF in the future models of the Cummins.

 

From the research I have done, Ford and Chevy have not done anything about the DPF on their truck with the addition of urea. I'm a little leary of this, I know it will be better in to long run, Ive just never had any involvement with it. I'm learning more about it each day though.

Thanks for you input

 

I have been doing the same consideration and looking into the cost to delete the emissions stuff. The trucks are overpriced any way and then add the cost of the delete, not to mention the hassel just so I can get what I currently have is turning me away from it.

 

I think if you do get the truck, you will have no regrets. The quality, fit and finish over the 3rd gens is so superior.

I went from a very nice 2005 2500 Quad Cab 4x4 stick to the truck in my signature. No regrets. Zero.

 

Went from a 2005 Dodge Ram 2500 Quad Cab to a 2010 3500 Mega Laramie dually. Do not regret a thing about it. Sure, I took a hit in the MPG department but I also went from 3.73's to 4.10 gears. The auto is so much smoother both towing and empty. I averaged 17.2 mpg mixed in the 2005 and am now averaging 14.5 to 15.1 mpg mixed driving. Both hand calculated. Towing in my 2005 with a 12,000 pound toy hauler I avg 9.8 mpg in the Cali "hills." My 2010 with a 16,000 pound toy hauler I avg 10.2 mpg in the Cali "hills."

The fit and finish on my new dodge doesn't even compare to the 2005. Everything is better and more refined. Its simply a better truck hands down and with that I will take the emissions junk.. Well for another 28,000 miles that is.

 

If you think about the path of "emissions" I would bet that they are going to get a lot stricter in the future. The Dodges are built to 2010.5 Federal standards (Tier 2 bin umptifratz) without urea and were built for the 2007 MY. Newer trucks aren't built to the 2010.5 standard, or won't be soon. They'll be built to the as yet unkown Tier 3 standards. Tier 2 only went to 2009MY with some bins extending beyond that. You see, the new Phase 3A standards say that all trucks have to average 26mpg by 2016. We're already into 2011 model year and the 2016 MY is only 5 years off... Our mileage is going DOWN to stay clean. You won't just have urea injection, you will have urea injection, EGR, DPF, regens galore, and a hefty "pollution tax." I'm sure this will be coupled with reduced power numbers or the addition of some hybrid technology. It may be that to "pay" for the pollution the Man might just tax urea at 5,000%. Then we'll be trying to do deletes on the whole urea injection system. Who knows? Mark my words.... Or unmark them, as the case may be....

 

I agree that this emmissions stuf is headed in a scary direction... Energy laws in general seem to be pushing us back into the dark ages. in order to meet the energy and emmissions standards of the future we are going to have to start carrying torches and using horse drawn carriages again....so much for being progressive...

of course im being a smart a** when i say this

 

Nothing like having to drill for and pay for MORE fuel to make cleaner emissions. Sounds like we will be in a Catch-22 soon....

 

Soon?

 

Don't worry the libs are wanting to take the CO2 your horse depsits as well.

 

The sad part is that in a few years we will be calling today the "good times."

Note to self: buy more ammo....

 

Urea injection is purely for the control of NOX emissions. DPF will remain and EGR will still be a factor, though not as much as it is now.