DF5152

Im getting a a 3500 SRW and was wondering if u can tow a 5th wheel with the short bed. I like the looks of the short bed.

Luke S

Well yes and no. It depends on the style of your hitch and the width of the nose on your trailer.

moss2904

df5152,
The short anwer is yes( no pun intended). The long answer is probably if everything is just right.
I pulled my fifth wheel with Ford SWB crewcabs from 1997 till I got my Dodge.
I have had my longbed Dodge since the end of October, I love pulling with a longbed now. The Dodge 4 door LWB is just a few inches longer than the Ford SWB crewcab.
The SWB is a comprimise but sometimes it may be necessary. If a LWB won't fit in your garage or so on. You just have to decide what is most important to you and what you will use it for.
As far as stability and all that with a SWB I never noticed any problems with my SWB trucks. The only time I had to worry with the SWB was when turning and backing with the trailer. Just one more thing to worry about when pulling a fifth wheel which I do not miss at all.
FWIW Randy

kingofdodge7131

Whats the diffrences in a swb and a lwb?

pwabbott

kingofdodge7131,<br><br>Short WB = 140.5&quot;, <br>Long WB = 160.5&quot;<br>Short Bed Quad Overall = 227.7&quot; <br>Long Bed Quad Overall = 249.7&quot; <br><br>The long WB gives a better ride on rough roads. <br><br>Short Bed Fuel Tank = 34 gal.<br>Long Bed Fuel Tank = 35 gal.<br><br>Short Bed 4x2 Turning Diameter = 44.6 ft<br>Long Bed 4x2 Turning Diameter = 50.3 ft<br><br>Short Bed 4x4 Turning Diameter = 48.9 ft<br>Long Bed 4x4 Turning diameter = 52.0 ft<br><br>When towing a 5er with short bed a &quot;slider hitch&quot; is a must. This hitch is $200-$300 more than a standard hitch. With a short bed and hitch between wheel wells, you don't have a lot of space for other gear in the truck bed. With long bed you have 20 additional inches which almost makes up for space lost by the hitch.<br> 8) 8)

smokinjoe

df5152,<br><br>I agree with you! I like the looks of the SB and the ability to park in smaller spaces, however, I bought a new 2000,2500,4x4,loaded, LB a little over 3 years ago and glad I got the LB. I also pull a 30ft. 5ver and did a 8 K mile trip West last summer. I have a Reese 16 K hitch and have been real happy with it.<br><br>With the SB, I would suggest a slider on the 5th wheel hitch. That way when backing and making real short turns, you don't have to worry about hitting the cab on the truck. My salesman told me a story about a guy who insisted on getting the SB, added a 5th wheel hitch &quot;without a slider&quot; and turned too short. The 5ver hit the cab and the guy had a real bad day. I'd research it all &quot;first&quot;, &quot;before&quot; commiting to the big purchase. It's alot of money to spent and then end up with something your not happy with. <br><br>Good luck and Happy Holidays!<br><br> <br><br>smokinjoe<br>ohio

pwabbott

Ditto to what smokinjoe just said, don't get in a hurry, df5152. Make sure.

ffemt1271

i have a 2003 sb qc 2500hd and pull a 28' dutchman-i have a regular 5th wheel hitch in it and a long tongue on the trailer and can get it in a fairly tight spot--practice makes perfect-so far i havent found a place i couldnt get it into

KenR

[quote author=ffemt1271 link=board=17;threadid=8538;start=0#82793 date=1040403391]<br>i have a 2003 sb qc 2500hd and pull a 28' dutchman-i have a regular 5th wheel hitch in it and a long tongue on the trailer and can get it in a fairly tight spot--practice makes perfect-so far i havent found a place i couldnt get it into<br>[/quote]<br><br>Please tell us more information. How long is your extended pin? How far does your pin extend from the front of the RV? How about a picture of your hookup. What clearance do you have between the rear of cab and hitch? What kind of hitch? What ever else you can provide.<br>Thanks

Jim O

I agree with the people who say you need a slider with a SWB I towed my trailer yesterday for the first time and I weighed it and drove around a big parkinglot taking corners and backing up etc. Although I have had three conventional trailers this is my first fifth wheel. It is equipped with a 13&quot; pinbox and my hitch is a HiJacker double tilt with a slide of about 10&quot; and I can see that you could have cab to trailer interferance if you were not careful. I towed 172kms. (107Miles ) and unlike a conventional trailer with an equilizer hitch you do not hit every bump twice. The unit grossed out at 17360 LBS. and it is dry and not completly loaded yet but but the truck had just been filled with 64 gallons of fuel. The truck handled it as I expected very well.There is a web site I believe it is irv.com and it had a very good explanation of towing a 5er with a swb truck.

pwabbott

KenR, I towed my Montana 5er with a Reese Kwick-Slide 5er hitch. The Reese instructions recommend a 13&quot; extended pin box. The slider gives an additional 10&quot; when in the rear position. The hitch in the forward towing position should be centered over the rear axle for maximum manuvering distance from the cab. With the popularity of SWB trucks, most manufacturers equip their 5ers with the extended pin box.

My fiver came with the extended pin box. This places the pin approximately 2 inches forward of the front cap on my 5er. Since the front cap is rounded, the sides of the cap are about 9 inches behind the pin location. If you have a flat front end cap on the fiver the pin should be about 6 or more inches in front of the 5er.

Reese also gives this warning:

CAUTION: Turning clearance is reduced when towing with a Short Bed Truck! This can result in trailer striking inside of truck bed. Always monitor truck cab and trailer clearance during turns. Failure to do so could result in significant property damage.

KenR

Sierra Phil,<br><br>Thanks for that information. Valuable. What truck was you pulling with in that situation? I see you have a Long Bed now. What is the brand name and number of your extended pin. I would like to see a picture of it.<br><br>By the way, I must say, &quot;Isn't this internet and forum just great&quot;. Super information for us all to share.

pwabbott

KenR, This is a great site with great people, lots of varied experience on this site.

I was pulling with a 98 Ram 2500 4x4 with auto. The extended pin box was the factory one Keystone, Montana mod 2955RL. Most 5er manufacturer have a standard pin box and an optional extended pin box.

Here is a picture of 5er and 2003 hooked up:

KenR

Sierra Phil,

Thanks for the picture. I cannot see it from the side at the hitch but get the idea of the hookup. Nice looking rig. I can see that you have lots of experience pulling with a short bed.

My pin Leland AF 7920 can be viewed at the following url:
http://www.lelandengineering.com/pinspecs.htm

My actual pin is recessed 3 1/2 inches from the most forward projection of the RV but ahead of the corner of the RV front due to the sloping of the sides about 3 inches. My pin is not the standard pin that comes with the RV. That pin is further recessed 9 inches from mine. My RV is 8 foot wide. I have found two individuals on the net that are pulling my RV with earlier Dodge SB's, except theirs have the bedroom slide and their hitch is the AF 7910 which gives them 9 inches less than mine. They have the Reese slider (only slides nine inches -the current Reese allows 11 inches) and both state no problem for them. Their trucks have 3 more inches clearance than the 2003 Dodge from rear of cab to center of rear axle . Since I have no experience with the Short Bed I am basing my truck order on this information. Additionally, I have a friend that is pulling the 24ft Sunnybrook with a Toyota with only 33 inches between the rear of cab and center of rear axle. He has the same pin I have and he is not having a problem and uses the slider rarely. I also hooked up his truck to my camper and it allows the same clearance that his does. Our RV fronts are the same. We did not pull it due to his truck being a 1/2 ton and I did not want to put my pin weight on his truck.

Every chance that I find to obtain more information on this subject I jump in to gain more knowledge from the ones that have been there.

pwabbott

KenR, The &quot;Intermediate Pin Box Assembly<br>18,000 GVW&quot; on your link looks exactly like my pin box. You shouldn't have problems if you use the slider hitch. Since it is a pain to use it properly one is tempted avoid its use. Just keep in mind that in its rear position the pin should be 52 &quot; from the truck cab. This is not possible even using the slider with the short bed. The sharpest angle you can turn is about 75deg from straight. <br><br>Good luck.