pwr2tow

Geez, if I didn't know better I would think your trying to bait me. I thought crap like that was banned from this site.

Lary Ellis (Top)

OK guys, bring it down a notch...leave the personal stuff off the forum.

White97GTVert

You know what also blanks the fuel info? Dead batteries.

kblranch

OK let me get this right. Bob and Marco clearly state in all of there advertising that the Smarty Jr and Sr are not detectable by the dealer. Now if they were not totally confident in this claim would they make it ? I do not think so! Why? Because every Tom, Dick and Harry would be suing them if they had a problem with detection at the dealership. Anyone heard of false advertising? Maybe Bob or Marco will chime in. I was in business for 22 years and have never seen anyone step up to the plate like Bob or Marco- bar none. The industry standard is that for every customer that you "do not take care of" you edited by admin lose 20 more potential customers. Not only does Bob and Marco take care of there own they help out Idiots that buy inferior products from vendors with NO customer service.

pwr2tow

Thanks, great to know, can be useful information if used in the right situations.

05CTDN8

Well put.

I have seen many vendors just up and leave due to flaming and bashing. Bob and Marco have taken a beating!!! And they are still here in the trenches. Kudos to those that stand behind their product. I have also noticed the quality of information dropping on these sites, followed by the loss of some high quality members. Guys keep it clean and respectful before we see more names on here disappear due to flaming or bashing.......Bottom line is if YOU mod your truck YOU take the responsibility of wrecking it or losing your warranty. I dont care if someone says hooking a 1kw generator to your ECM wont hurt it....YOU are the one that took the initiative to trash your warranty.......

Dodgezilla

And not everyone that buys a lesser grade product than the Top of the Line one is an "Idiot". Some people just don't have as much $$$ as others and if they want to play then they have to buy a cheaper product...

chipmonk

from what i've read on this forum, bob and marco have a GREAT product and have gone well beyond the call to help some members out that were not even using their product at the time. the question of whether smarty is detectable or not may not be a simple yes or no, as i have also heard from a dodge tech that they can tell if certain parameters on a truck have been changed. on the 3rd gen cr's they know the only way to change those parameters is with a programmer, so they then know you have used a programmer, but not because the smarty left a footprint, like re-setting a counter or throwing a code that the dealer can pull up. the bottom line is that if you fight the dealer on this, you will be basing your fight on the lie that you are not using a programmer.

kblranch

If you knowingly buy a substandard product and have been informed that it has a negligable warranty, if any at all, I would think that you would have no basis to complain to anyone. If you pay half the price for something and expect it to perform to the same standards as something at twice the price I do not think you are aware how the free market place works. You get what you pay for and if you don't there is always someone willing to step in and fill the void. The "it does not leave a footprint" is a cat and mouse game between the programmer/downloaders and the truck manufacturers. You win some and lose some. Buyer beware.

chipmonk

i'm a little confused- on one post you are saying that smarty must be completely undetectable because it would be false advertising if it wasn't, and even go so far as to call people who are using other products 'idiots'. then on your next post you say the 'footprint' thing is a 'cat and mouse game' and 'you win some and you loose some' and it's 'buyer beware'. it sounds like what you're saying is that smarty is undetectable, unless the dealer looks hard enough to find something, then it's your problem. i guess someone would have to be an 'idiot' to not see that you're contradicting yourself.

05CTDN8

Just take it for what it's worth and lets drop this before the ADMINS get upset. This is an issue that has been beat to death.

John_P

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Good point "ShakinRedCTD", I think this one has pretty well "run its course."
It's done!