SMARTY CR meets Dyno
07-27-2006 | 01:04 PM
#109
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From: Maritimes, Canada
All I know is that another truck with the fueling setup like on my truck has been running the Beta for about a week with and without the TST. He was very happy with it. With my setup the Smarty with timing can be adjusted over its 7 settings and then the Timing can be maxed with the Adjustments on the TST and then Duration added till max hp and torque....Sounds Ideal to me. Marco has already written an update based on Beta testers....come on Alpha Smarty. ks
07-27-2006 | 03:14 PM
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Fellas, I can understand your excitement at the possibility of what Smarty can do for you, but just chill a bit and let things develop.
Yes, I'm more than a little jealous that an 04.5 can plug in a smarty and TST and have more power than I would have with the largest sticks my stock pump can take, twins, and maybe even drugs.
Technology is rapidly advancing, and designing new software for these trucks is NO easy task.
What are 6.7L owners supposed to do? What if you want to hot rod your new chassis cab? What, no Smarty for you?
Just for perspective, consider how greedy and spoiled (I'd say we, but I mean you third gen owners
) have become. It was only 4 years ago that 400hp was a HOT truck. Back then, a Comp and Supermentals was SUPER hot, and would smoke like crazy and barely give 450hp.
Now you can download software into a 3rd gen that will give you more power with STOCK injectors, STOCK turbo and all that, and have MUCH better manners on the street.
Personally, I think your HPCR guys should just quit whining and revel in the fact that all of us who can't afford to upgrade to a 3rd gen are crazy jealous
Yes, I'm more than a little jealous that an 04.5 can plug in a smarty and TST and have more power than I would have with the largest sticks my stock pump can take, twins, and maybe even drugs.
Technology is rapidly advancing, and designing new software for these trucks is NO easy task.
What are 6.7L owners supposed to do? What if you want to hot rod your new chassis cab? What, no Smarty for you?
Just for perspective, consider how greedy and spoiled (I'd say we, but I mean you third gen owners
) have become. It was only 4 years ago that 400hp was a HOT truck. Back then, a Comp and Supermentals was SUPER hot, and would smoke like crazy and barely give 450hp.Now you can download software into a 3rd gen that will give you more power with STOCK injectors, STOCK turbo and all that, and have MUCH better manners on the street.
Personally, I think your HPCR guys should just quit whining and revel in the fact that all of us who can't afford to upgrade to a 3rd gen are crazy jealous
07-27-2006 | 03:28 PM
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haha, well ever since they posted who is interested in a 3rd gen smarty thread and looking for interest, I have been foaming at the mouth, cause it will be mostly a feebie for me since I have the 2nd gen version to have updated... That is why I am so anxious....
08-01-2006 | 06:54 PM
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I want to add this FYI
The wait is over, I've shipped the first batch to the States this morning.
First of all, let me THANK YOU for your patience!
We have worked HARD in order to get a First Class product to the market!
It has taken quiet some time and effort but we feel the hard work for us thus the long wait for you has been well worth it.
I'm proud of what we've been able to provide!
It's now time for a real update for you all.
The main question, what actually DOES this new toy " Smarty CR "?
In short ( but not limited to ).
1) Ten different -CaTCHER- performance softwares for each truck.
2) Smarty leaves NO trace at all of itself once the ECM is set back to stock.
3) ABS / Speedo recalibration in steps of one tenth of an inch.
4) Code reader, codes are displayed as Pxxxx and in plain English.
5) Fastest download, up to three times faster than the competition.
6) Build in USB port for internet updates.
1) The horsepower settings. Just like the VP Smarty does, except #0, all other softwares have a modified "Torque management" ( TQM ). The throttle response is greatly improved but is set to a save limit. With "Save" I mean save for your tranny and rest of the driveline. ( Please, make sure you understand the difference between a " disabled TQM " and a modified one! ( Disabled ) )
SW # 0 : Half power
SW # 1 : 30hp increase, with added timing .
SW # 2 : 60hp increase, no added timing.
SW # 3 : 60hp increase, with added timing.
SW # 4 : 90hp increase, no added timing.
SW # 5 : 90hp increase, with added timing.
SW # 6 : 130hp increase, no added timing.
SW # 7 : 130hp increase, with added timing.
SW # 8 : 170hp increase, no added timing.***
SW # 9 : 170hp increase, with added timing.***
(*** Only for the 04.5's and up)
Let's define the test conditions under which we came up with those numbers.
The dyno, TST's Mustang.
The trucks, again TST's test trucks.
-An 03, 6Sp, 305Hp/555 TQ. STOCK except for a FASS pump and a clutch.
-An 04.5, AT, 325Hp/600 TQ. STOCK except for a FASS pump and beefed up tranny.
(I'll have to tell you about TST sometimes later. One HECK of a company!
Thanks Mark!)
Stock means just that. Stock! Even the air filters were stock...
I've released the information about the HP gains a couple weeks ago and a few of you have complained about the " only 130 hp gain " for the 03 & 04's.
I'd like to point out that the 03 produced 130Hp more @ 30 Psi of boost while the 04.5 produced 170 hp more @ 40! Psi. Does that tell you something?
Like I said the trucks were S T O C K, even the wastegate settings!
We checked the "baseline" ( the stock truck Hp at the rear wheels ) twice in a day in order to be sure about our findings. The above declared HP numbers are all rounded down to the closest number. For example the 90 Hp file actually did 96Hp. That's a 90 Hp software for me, not a 100. The 170 Hp was 174... OK? Facts no hype!
One thing to notice. The power gains with the 03's-04's would be actually higher if we started from a 235 Hp engine. In poor words, an 03 California truck would end up with the same rear wheel Hp the 03 6Sp produced. I've used the same settings for the California AT truck that I used in the 03 6Sp. For the 03 235Hp/460TQ engine the power gain is above 200 Hp.
I've almost forgot to mention... SW's # 8 & #9 for the 03-04 trucks are similar to #7 and # 8 but have more fuel down low and even less TQM. Can you say SMOKE?
2) No trace is left in the ECM!
I herby CLAIM that SmartyCR is the FIRST AND ONLY downloader that does not erase any of the stored data in the ECM. Smarty does NOT leave any footprints. Smarty does NOT set ANY codes once the ECM is set back to stock. Smarty does NOT need to have fuses pulled. Smarty...
Well you get the picture.
No matter what the competition claims , in one way or another they're ALL detectable. Smarty is NOT!
Yet, Smarty can not do one thing for you. Fix what others have broke. Smarty can not restore a key on counter that another downloader has erased . Smarty can not fix VIN# troubles caused by other products. If your Check engine / ABS light is on because another product has screwed your ECM, Smarty can not fix it.... the other guy HAS to.
3) ABS/ Speedo recalibration.
Well, not much more to add here. The tire height can be adjusted up to 44" in increments of 10 tenth of an inch in just a couple seconds. Of course, Smarty needs to be VIN# locked to the truck in order to get into the ABS adjustment section.
4) DTC Code reader.
The name says it all.
You can read and erase codes. Codes are displayed also in plain English. That's old news by now. The VP Smarty was the first one to provide that utility, others found the idea to be a good one too. Oh well....
( Smarty does erase ABS codes too but does not display them )
5) ECM update speed.
Faster than anything else on the market! Again we've done our homework on the protocol. Depending upon the year of the truck ( Then newer the truck than longer the software thus the update time ) from about 3 minutes to about 5 and a half. Three times faster than a DRB or competitor.
Also on the CR we have developed our own bootloader in order to not have to pull fuses should an update become interrupted for some reason. All you have to do is to turn the key off / key on Smarty does everything else on it's own.
6) Updates.
If you have followed the Smarty for the VP trucks, then you've noticed that we have release several updates for it in a relatively short time. Well, you can expect the same to happen for the CR. The CaTCHER softwares as they are today are only a starting point. Expect major news within the next months! I'm waiting for your feedback,opinions, likes, dislikes...
We will make Smarty do what YOU want, TOGETHER.
Hey, be reasonable with your requests.
Last ,a few bad news. Yep, nothing is perfect.
1)The Smarty's that are heading over the pond now do NOT work on the 06 trucks, never will. It's a looong and sad story. I got fooled by a technical manual...Sorry about that one! The 06's use now the CAN bus to update the ECM. We're already working on a different hardware that will do all trucks from 03 to 06. Most of the job is done but here in Italy everybody closes for vacation in August. It's a "lost" month. We expect to be ready with the first CAN bus beta units in the middle/end of September. To the market in October.
If you own a 06 today, please do not purchase a Smarty today!
If you own a 03 to 05.5 truck today but want to change truck sometimes in the future, we could provide you an exchange board for the Smarty with the CAN bus capability. We'll work a deal out. Customer satisfaction FIRST. No doubt.
2) I've not yet raised the Rev limiter above 3.5K. ( But up to 3.5K it's already STRONG!!!!)
3) I've not yet worked on the speed limiter. Hey, it's a truck not a sportscar,
right? NOT!
4) I've not yet tested the high idle enable on all trucks. I have enabled it in all softwares ( even the stock ones ) but it's not been validated yet in all trucks. The trucks I've worked on it worked... I guess you'll find out before me....
OK, here I quit.
Thanks for your attention!
Marco
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First of all, let me THANK YOU for your patience!
We have worked HARD in order to get a First Class product to the market!
It has taken quiet some time and effort but we feel the hard work for us thus the long wait for you has been well worth it.
I'm proud of what we've been able to provide!
It's now time for a real update for you all.
The main question, what actually DOES this new toy " Smarty CR "?
In short ( but not limited to ).
1) Ten different -CaTCHER- performance softwares for each truck.
2) Smarty leaves NO trace at all of itself once the ECM is set back to stock.
3) ABS / Speedo recalibration in steps of one tenth of an inch.
4) Code reader, codes are displayed as Pxxxx and in plain English.
5) Fastest download, up to three times faster than the competition.
6) Build in USB port for internet updates.
1) The horsepower settings. Just like the VP Smarty does, except #0, all other softwares have a modified "Torque management" ( TQM ). The throttle response is greatly improved but is set to a save limit. With "Save" I mean save for your tranny and rest of the driveline. ( Please, make sure you understand the difference between a " disabled TQM " and a modified one! ( Disabled ) )
SW # 0 : Half power
SW # 1 : 30hp increase, with added timing .
SW # 2 : 60hp increase, no added timing.
SW # 3 : 60hp increase, with added timing.
SW # 4 : 90hp increase, no added timing.
SW # 5 : 90hp increase, with added timing.
SW # 6 : 130hp increase, no added timing.
SW # 7 : 130hp increase, with added timing.
SW # 8 : 170hp increase, no added timing.***
SW # 9 : 170hp increase, with added timing.***
(*** Only for the 04.5's and up)
Let's define the test conditions under which we came up with those numbers.
The dyno, TST's Mustang.
The trucks, again TST's test trucks.
-An 03, 6Sp, 305Hp/555 TQ. STOCK except for a FASS pump and a clutch.
-An 04.5, AT, 325Hp/600 TQ. STOCK except for a FASS pump and beefed up tranny.
(I'll have to tell you about TST sometimes later. One HECK of a company!
Thanks Mark!)
Stock means just that. Stock! Even the air filters were stock...
I've released the information about the HP gains a couple weeks ago and a few of you have complained about the " only 130 hp gain " for the 03 & 04's.
I'd like to point out that the 03 produced 130Hp more @ 30 Psi of boost while the 04.5 produced 170 hp more @ 40! Psi. Does that tell you something?
Like I said the trucks were S T O C K, even the wastegate settings!
We checked the "baseline" ( the stock truck Hp at the rear wheels ) twice in a day in order to be sure about our findings. The above declared HP numbers are all rounded down to the closest number. For example the 90 Hp file actually did 96Hp. That's a 90 Hp software for me, not a 100. The 170 Hp was 174... OK? Facts no hype!
One thing to notice. The power gains with the 03's-04's would be actually higher if we started from a 235 Hp engine. In poor words, an 03 California truck would end up with the same rear wheel Hp the 03 6Sp produced. I've used the same settings for the California AT truck that I used in the 03 6Sp. For the 03 235Hp/460TQ engine the power gain is above 200 Hp.
I've almost forgot to mention... SW's # 8 & #9 for the 03-04 trucks are similar to #7 and # 8 but have more fuel down low and even less TQM. Can you say SMOKE?
2) No trace is left in the ECM!
I herby CLAIM that SmartyCR is the FIRST AND ONLY downloader that does not erase any of the stored data in the ECM. Smarty does NOT leave any footprints. Smarty does NOT set ANY codes once the ECM is set back to stock. Smarty does NOT need to have fuses pulled. Smarty...
Well you get the picture.
No matter what the competition claims , in one way or another they're ALL detectable. Smarty is NOT!
Yet, Smarty can not do one thing for you. Fix what others have broke. Smarty can not restore a key on counter that another downloader has erased . Smarty can not fix VIN# troubles caused by other products. If your Check engine / ABS light is on because another product has screwed your ECM, Smarty can not fix it.... the other guy HAS to.
3) ABS/ Speedo recalibration.
Well, not much more to add here. The tire height can be adjusted up to 44" in increments of 10 tenth of an inch in just a couple seconds. Of course, Smarty needs to be VIN# locked to the truck in order to get into the ABS adjustment section.
4) DTC Code reader.
The name says it all.
You can read and erase codes. Codes are displayed also in plain English. That's old news by now. The VP Smarty was the first one to provide that utility, others found the idea to be a good one too. Oh well....
( Smarty does erase ABS codes too but does not display them )
5) ECM update speed.
Faster than anything else on the market! Again we've done our homework on the protocol. Depending upon the year of the truck ( Then newer the truck than longer the software thus the update time ) from about 3 minutes to about 5 and a half. Three times faster than a DRB or competitor.
Also on the CR we have developed our own bootloader in order to not have to pull fuses should an update become interrupted for some reason. All you have to do is to turn the key off / key on Smarty does everything else on it's own.
6) Updates.
If you have followed the Smarty for the VP trucks, then you've noticed that we have release several updates for it in a relatively short time. Well, you can expect the same to happen for the CR. The CaTCHER softwares as they are today are only a starting point. Expect major news within the next months! I'm waiting for your feedback,opinions, likes, dislikes...
We will make Smarty do what YOU want, TOGETHER.
Hey, be reasonable with your requests.
Last ,a few bad news. Yep, nothing is perfect.
1)The Smarty's that are heading over the pond now do NOT work on the 06 trucks, never will. It's a looong and sad story. I got fooled by a technical manual...Sorry about that one! The 06's use now the CAN bus to update the ECM. We're already working on a different hardware that will do all trucks from 03 to 06. Most of the job is done but here in Italy everybody closes for vacation in August. It's a "lost" month. We expect to be ready with the first CAN bus beta units in the middle/end of September. To the market in October.
If you own a 06 today, please do not purchase a Smarty today!
If you own a 03 to 05.5 truck today but want to change truck sometimes in the future, we could provide you an exchange board for the Smarty with the CAN bus capability. We'll work a deal out. Customer satisfaction FIRST. No doubt.
2) I've not yet raised the Rev limiter above 3.5K. ( But up to 3.5K it's already STRONG!!!!)
3) I've not yet worked on the speed limiter. Hey, it's a truck not a sportscar,
right? NOT!
4) I've not yet tested the high idle enable on all trucks. I have enabled it in all softwares ( even the stock ones ) but it's not been validated yet in all trucks. The trucks I've worked on it worked... I guess you'll find out before me....
OK, here I quit.
Thanks for your attention!
Marco
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08-01-2006 | 07:04 PM
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Let me be the first to say... "I think I pooped my pants, I'm so excited." Too bad I need to finish all my suspension mods before I can get one 
. I;m looking forward to reviews, thoughts, ideas and whatnot and so on.... yee-ha!!
. I;m looking forward to reviews, thoughts, ideas and whatnot and so on.... yee-ha!!
08-01-2006 | 08:04 PM
#118
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From: Port Deposit, MD
Well, I am getting some dough the first week of September I already told the wife where some of it was going 
I guess I'll have to stash it under my mattress for a while............
My birthday is November 18th, that would be nice to have one for around that time I guess!
I guess I'll have to stash it under my mattress for a while............My birthday is November 18th, that would be nice to have one for around that time I guess!
08-01-2006 | 09:05 PM
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From: somewhere in northwestern ohio....Mansfield, Oh
I just read this whole site and I can not find anything on the economy mode that was talked about a few months back . Is it there our not and if it is how much of an improvement is expected ? I hope this did not get lost along the way and can you also post the max EGT that were reached in testing . I have been waiting for this thing for a long long time and I for one am one happy camper to see it almost in reach . 