Got the new Banks box in my truck today and My first drive thoughts are.

Smooth power! It feels like about the same power as the Bully Dog, but it comes on alot more gradual. Where the Bully Dog was either on or off! Makes it a smoother drive.

This Box also does timing so I should see better fuel milage.

My intiaial thoughts are. Very GOOD! It has everything I was looking for in a Box.

 

What's the price on the box?? When will you know if it's throwing any codes?

 

Keep the info coming Carnage.Thanks.

 

What kind of fuel pressures are you seeing?

 

I Beleive my contact said the price was going to be $799.

and I do not have a fuel pressure gauge only boost, trans and pyro

 

Are we talking smokin' tires and a haze of rubber smoke?Or a more "sophistated" approach?lol,

 

I also picked up my truck from Banks today, as I had the prototype six gun installed. Here's what I have learned today......

This does seem to add considerable power. I floored it going around a corner and almost spun completely around. I figured the rears would hook up better so I just stayed into the throttle. It kept building boost and more power so at the point I was 3/4 around, I let off (I'll consider that breaking in the Michelins) As Carnage said above, the power comes on very smooth and strong.

On trucks with an auto, the box will monitor transmission slippage (when locked) and reduce power accordingly. The box also defuels mementarily during lockup.

The current box is a combination pressure and timing box. Pulse width (duration) is not altered.

The Banks engineer indicated they are looking to release the product in 3-4 weeks.

I'll post more driving impressions after I put a few more miles on the truck. Traffic really sucked coming home from Banks, so I didn't get to run very fast. Only little spurts here and there.

Dan

 

Some questions from a novice here, but I'm confused when you guys talk about box's that change timing (indepently from the preprogrammed timing curves built in) and fuel pressure.

I can understand a box fooling the computer to generate more fuel pressure earlier, doesn't that alone change the pulse width and timing?

Can you really get more fuel through the injectors without a longer pulse?;

AND, by fooling the system into thinking it's putting out less fuel at a given throttle position you are in effect changing the timing that way, you are relying on a different built in advance/retard map.

The way I see it the only true way to change timing with relationship to fuel supplied would be to intercept the crankshaft position sensor and feed bogus info back into the engine computer. Unless there are box's out there that do that.

Dazzzzzed and confused in New York.

Ron W.

 

I'd be curious what your fuel pressure is...if any at WOT. hint hint.

I edited this just in case it was too subtle and not obvious to read.

Folks are monitoring their fuel pressures with the test boxes correct?

 

Ron,

It's not a question of generating higher pressures "earlier". With the common rail, the rail is pressurized all the time (just like a gasser fuel rail). Timing and duration are unaffected by this. Since the injectors are now electronically controlled (as compared to previous years where they were hydraulically actuated), they open at the same time, and stay open the same amount of time, regardless of the extra pressure present in the rail from a pressure box.

Yes, you will flow more fuel in a given time through an injector with higher pressure. Think about your garden hose. Crack the water valve slightly, and squeeze the nozzle for one second. Then, open the valve up all the way, and squeeze for another second. The second puddle will be bigger


Which is pretty much what the new generation of boxes are going to do. The whole goal is to get more fuel into the cylinder. You can do that by raising fuel pressure, leaving timing (when the injection pulse starts, relative to TDC of the piston) and duration (how long the injector stays open) alone. More pressure=more fuel=more power. However, this can only be taken so far. Pretty soon, you start getting into dangerously high pressures, and things start failing.

Another way to get more fuel into the cylinder is to increase the pulse width (duration) of the injector. The longer it's open, the more fuel dumps in. Longer duration=more fuel=more power. But, at some point, you're injecting fuel at a flame front that's running away down the cylinder. This does nothing for power. But, if you alter the timing of the injector pulse, ie. start it earlier, you can then get even more fuel into the cylinder at a time when it will do some good. As with everything else, there are limits here, too. Injecting fuel too soon could result in serious detonation, as the air may not be hot enough to immediately light the fuel off. Now you have the piston compressing a fuel/air mixture to the point of detonation, which doesn't do wonder for the life of the bottom end (it's putting up with enough abuse as it is ). Or, the fuel could ignite immediately, but at a time where the piston is too far away from TDC, and the piston and the flame front hit each other like a couple of NFL linesmen.

Again, it's all about getting more fuel into the cylinder. The first Edge box just used increased rail pressure to do it. TST is going with timing and duration changes, leaving stock pressures. It sounds like Banks is going with pressure and timing (the easier-to-implement combination). I don't think we've heard exactly how the Juice is going to work.

One thing's for sure... it's going to be an interesting spring!

 

Tom488

Got it....

1 increased fuel pressure
2 wider pulse width
3 timing

What combination in your opinion, would work the best for more power on the low end, since I have an auto with 3.73's?

I guess the ultimate box would do all three and allow for changes on the fly from a control box in the cab.

Of course, if I had such a box, my crank would be spinning on the asphault in no time.


Thanks again

Ron W.

 

I am wondering what the egt's are going to run in the banks box. I had a quadzilla 50-100hp box in my truck but found that the egt's are running to hot to use all the power 1400/1450 pushing hard and would run 1300 easy just passing a car on the interstate and that is running empty. I am on the list for the tst box but am having second thoughts about that. I understand that if you buy the quick loader with the six gun that it will shut the fuel off if the egt's get to warm and that is not a bad option, but if it is anything like the quad box you would never use all the hp because I'm sure they set the cut off at 1300. I'm woundering how any of these boxes could really run any cooler than the other because they are basically doing the same thing with the pulse width and the timing are'nt they. have had the banks kits before and they were great on the 2nd gen trucks but a little more spendy.

 

Hey local601-Welcome to DTR, also I noticed you are out of Havre. I am in Great Falls. Good to see some other Montanans.
-Steve