installed my injector nozzles today heres your write up
09-26-2007, 05:45 PM
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I have never seen dyno sheets on a CR before/after injectors.
I dont know if its because they dont give you the advertised hp or people regreat it because the HP per dollar wasnt a good after spending $1,000.
It seems injectors are more common place on 2nd gens and they have awesome results. My old 99 turned into a rocket once I added a set of Don's Mach 4. I know it game me the advertised hp.
A few years back you rarely heard of injectors on a CR. People said you didnt need tham as much as on a 2nd gen because the CR's have advanced electronics and can get the power in electronics instead of larger injectors. Its true since there's alot of members with 600hp+ on stock injectors, and next to impossable to get 500hp on a 2nd gen without injectors.
Yeah injectors will always add hp and thats a good thing it just seems like alot of $$$ for a small improvement.
I dont know if its because they dont give you the advertised hp or people regreat it because the HP per dollar wasnt a good after spending $1,000.
It seems injectors are more common place on 2nd gens and they have awesome results. My old 99 turned into a rocket once I added a set of Don's Mach 4. I know it game me the advertised hp.
A few years back you rarely heard of injectors on a CR. People said you didnt need tham as much as on a 2nd gen because the CR's have advanced electronics and can get the power in electronics instead of larger injectors. Its true since there's alot of members with 600hp+ on stock injectors, and next to impossable to get 500hp on a 2nd gen without injectors.
Yeah injectors will always add hp and thats a good thing it just seems like alot of $$$ for a small improvement.
You have a good point but there is a point where you more or less have to have injectors on a CR to reach a certain power level.
Another thing is if a smarty can get you close to 500 would you rather spend 900 bucks on a tst to break the 500 or go ahead and spend about a grand and get some 120ish sticks?
09-26-2007, 07:24 PM
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atleast i don't think they are.
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09-26-2007, 08:48 PM
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Im awaiting the same injectors that Phil has. I dynoed recently with stock injectors and did 507 hp. When i get the injectors and a new clutch i plan to dyno again. This will tell me exactly how much power i get from the injectors.
09-26-2007, 10:34 PM
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The problem with changing tips on your stock injectors, you kinda don't know if one or two is hanging open (10% or so). With F1's, you get a complete high pressure tested injector set for $1200. I think that is cheap insurance, but that's just me.
So you spent a grand for nozzles and tools, and you used your old non-tested bodies. It's not much cheaper.
So you spent a grand for nozzles and tools, and you used your old non-tested bodies. It's not much cheaper.
09-27-2007, 03:31 AM
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I bought some nozzles from a member on here. I cant let my truck set to send the whole injectors away. If I have issues at all or want anything bigger I will go with something from F1
09-27-2007, 07:36 AM
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Like chrleb1 said, you spent almost the same amount of money and didn't get your stock bodies checked out/tested and also had to install the tips yourself. I'm glad I used F1 because they did find out that one of my stockers was sticking. Went through Bob Wagner and Don turned them around in 24hrs.
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You have a good point but there is a point where you more or less have to have injectors on a CR to reach a certain power level.
And that point would be over 600hp
Another thing is if a smarty can get you close to 500 would you rather spend 900 bucks on a tst to break the 500 or go ahead and spend about a grand and get some 120ish sticks?
And that point would be over 600hp
Another thing is if a smarty can get you close to 500 would you rather spend 900 bucks on a tst to break the 500 or go ahead and spend about a grand and get some 120ish sticks?
120hp injectors at his level requries better supporting mods like a $1,300 cp3 mod and then all the other little odds and ends needed like rp gauges, sweet pusher pump and filters.
Like I said before there needs to be more real discussion on this topic. The members that are doing injectors need to post dyno results or track times instead of "oh it feels nice" I mean this was a big purchace and big project and we need more members describing their effects. A lot of us are looking for their next big purchace and we need good tech write up and id like to say thanks again to 3500_CTD for the great install instructions.
To get to 500hp I would go with a used TST off the classifides cheap and save the rest for something else.
120hp injectors at his level requries better supporting mods like a $1,300 cp3 mod and then all the other little odds and ends needed like rp gauges, sweet pusher pump abd filters.
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I could not agree more. I have a stage 3 cp3 and all the other little things. I have a baseline before injectors. The only changes on my next dyno will be injectors and a clutch. The only reason i went the injector route was because i dont want to run mutiple electronics. Just one programmer and injectors. The injectors are waiting for me as we speak, just have to get the clutch, but i will do a write up on driveability and new hp numbers. BTW the injectors arent rated by hp but are supposed to be in the 120-150hp range.
09-27-2007, 11:23 AM
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Not from what I've heard about 120hp sticks.
120hp injectors at his level requries better supporting mods like a $1,300 cp3 mod and then all the other little odds and ends needed like rp gauges, sweet pusher pump and filters.
Like I said before there needs to be more real discussion on this topic. The members that are doing injectors need to post dyno results or track times instead of "oh it feels nice" I mean this was a big purchace and big project and we need more members describing their effects. A lot of us are looking for their next big purchace and we need good tech write up and id like to say thanks again to 3500_CTD for the great install instructions.
To get to 500hp I would go with a used TST off the classifides cheap and save the rest for something else.
120hp injectors at his level requries better supporting mods like a $1,300 cp3 mod and then all the other little odds and ends needed like rp gauges, sweet pusher pump abd filters.
120hp injectors at his level requries better supporting mods like a $1,300 cp3 mod and then all the other little odds and ends needed like rp gauges, sweet pusher pump and filters.
Like I said before there needs to be more real discussion on this topic. The members that are doing injectors need to post dyno results or track times instead of "oh it feels nice" I mean this was a big purchace and big project and we need more members describing their effects. A lot of us are looking for their next big purchace and we need good tech write up and id like to say thanks again to 3500_CTD for the great install instructions.
To get to 500hp I would go with a used TST off the classifides cheap and save the rest for something else.
120hp injectors at his level requries better supporting mods like a $1,300 cp3 mod and then all the other little odds and ends needed like rp gauges, sweet pusher pump abd filters.
Agreed, there is more to it than just injectors but I am researching this topic too as I feel I am at the piont where I need sticks, a cp3 or two and some other things to get where I want to be. I wasnt tryin to argue, just simply stateing that sooner or later if you want big power you will have to go to injectors but I agree again on 600 hp is possible with a 3rd gen with electronics and the proper suporting mods.
Disclaimer on the 600 hp statemeny... results may vary.
yzf, I look forward to reading you findings.
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Agreed, there is more to it than just injectors but I am researching this topic too as I feel I am at the piont where I need sticks, a cp3 or two and some other things to get where I want to be. I wasnt tryin to argue, just simply stateing that sooner or later if you want big power you will have to go to injectors but I agree again on 600 hp is possible with a 3rd gen with electronics and the proper suporting mods.
Disclaimer on the 600 hp statemeny... results may vary.
yzf, I look forward to reading you findings.
Disclaimer on the 600 hp statemeny... results may vary.
yzf, I look forward to reading you findings.
I'm gonna try stacking the new Quad, but by then I'll already have Flux 2's installed so can't really tell if just the electronics will be at 600hp.