"hot side" versus "cool side tranny temps readings
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"hot side" versus "cool side tranny temps readings
i have two isppro tranny gauges. one installed in the hot line and the other installed in the tranny port.temps have been in the 70's here the last couple of days. i have noticed if if i am in stop and go traffic or driving at relatively low speeds (30-45mph) the fluid readings on the "cool side" can be less than 15 degrees difference in temperature than the temp reading on the hotside. hotside-160 degrees, cool side 145 degrees. cruising down the interstate temp difference can be as much as 30 degrees. i would think the temp difference should constantly be greater than only 15 degrees?? thoughts? thanks.
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You need airflow to make the cooler effective. 15* in town sounds about right. I've seen up to 45* on motorhomes with way oversized coolers.
I would think the hotter the hot side is, the larger the spread between the two.
I would think the hotter the hot side is, the larger the spread between the two.
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Well, for example my overhead read 83F today. Stop and go heavy traffic, city driving with no load my hotline read 185F. In the past the test port reading was slow to react and only went to 190F with a 7500# trailer. Now I find the hot line moves like the pyro with a load and warm weather. Does this answer your question. Point is load the tranny and you'll notice a big difference between the stagnant test case reading port reading and the hotline. I find that running the air really helps lower the tranny temps.
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i have two isppro tranny gauges. one installed in the hot line and the other installed in the tranny port.temps have been in the 70's here the last couple of days. i have noticed if if i am in stop and go traffic or driving at relatively low speeds (30-45mph) the fluid readings on the "cool side" can be less than 15 degrees difference in temperature than the temp reading on the hotside. hotside-160 degrees, cool side 145 degrees. cruising down the interstate temp difference can be as much as 30 degrees. i would think the temp difference should constantly be greater than only 15 degrees?? thoughts? thanks.
FYI, if you tapped the test port on the back side of the trans with the probe, you are running a big risk of destoying your transmission. Get it out now if you can.
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FYI, if you tapped the test port on the back side of the trans with the probe, you are running a big risk of destoying your transmission. Get it out now if you can. [/QUOTE]
Ok-- now you have me worried. This is where my temp gauge is mounted.
Why the danger? What could happen?
Ok-- now you have me worried. This is where my temp gauge is mounted.
Why the danger? What could happen?
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It will depend on the probe size and the piston design if this will happen sooner or later, but, it is inevitable you will have some type of contact over time. Just not a good place for the probe for those reasons and the fatc it is not reading true max fluid temps.
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Its a test port for accumulator pressure. There is a piston inside the bore the port is on and it can move out far enough to contact the end of the probe. Worst case it will bend the probe up enough you cannot remove it, break the piston causing damage to both the case by gouging the bore and the rest of the trans by droppping pressures.
It will depend on the probe size and the piston design if this will happen sooner or later, but, it is inevitable you will have some type of contact over time. Just not a good place for the probe for those reasons and the fatc it is not reading true max fluid temps.
It will depend on the probe size and the piston design if this will happen sooner or later, but, it is inevitable you will have some type of contact over time. Just not a good place for the probe for those reasons and the fatc it is not reading true max fluid temps.
Ok-- Thank you for clearing that up! It explains a problem I had in the past and the local dealer that installed my gauges put it there and had to replace the sensor after it did exactly what you describe!
I think they should have known better. Oh well-- so then, can you please describe exactly where the sensor is supposed to go so I can relocate it?
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Ok-- Thank you for clearing that up! It explains a problem I had in the past and the local dealer that installed my gauges put it there and had to replace the sensor after it did exactly what you describe!
I think they should have known better. Oh well-- so then, can you please describe exactly where the sensor is supposed to go so I can relocate it?
I think they should have known better. Oh well-- so then, can you please describe exactly where the sensor is supposed to go so I can relocate it?
The best most accurate place for the temp probe is the cooler output line of the transmission, front cooler line drivers side of trans. Either cut the rubber vibration hose and insert a fitting or get the line with the fitting built in.
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And they put it BACK there again????
The best most accurate place for the temp probe is the cooler output line of the transmission, front cooler line drivers side of trans. Either cut the rubber vibration hose and insert a fitting or get the line with the fitting built in.
The best most accurate place for the temp probe is the cooler output line of the transmission, front cooler line drivers side of trans. Either cut the rubber vibration hose and insert a fitting or get the line with the fitting built in.
Yes they did! and the owner of the shop was vocal at the mechanic that "put it in there". He thought the guy put it in wrong or damaged it himself. He had no idea of what you described. And certainly I was ignorant!
Thanks much for the info
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Ok-- Thank you for clearing that up! It explains a problem I had in the past and the local dealer that installed my gauges put it there and had to replace the sensor after it did exactly what you describe!
I think they should have known better. Oh well-- so then, can you please describe exactly where the sensor is supposed to go so I can relocate it?
I think they should have known better. Oh well-- so then, can you please describe exactly where the sensor is supposed to go so I can relocate it?
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One thing to remember is that the fluid coming out of the transmission is hot. We know that. That is why it goes through a cooler. The return line has cooler fluid because it has been through the cooler, but that is not what the tranny is taking back in. The Pan temperature is ideally the one you want to know. It has the actual temperature of the fluid being introduced back into the transmission. If it is too hot it isnt lubricating the way we want it to. If someone doesnt want to drill and braise in a fitting into the pan you could go with a deep sump pan that is already drilled and setup for a temp probe, plus you are gaining a couple of quarts of fluid to help keep it cooler. Oh yah by the way we sell deep sump pans too.