this is cool, somebody with real info to back up their claims, what a concept! My customers ask me about power gains with intake and exhaust systems all the time, and I tell them that intake and exhaust systems are to control egt's, not for more power, and that is how I sell them. Also seems like people think that all the power gains will add up and I have to get that out of their heads too - they think 15-20 from exhaust, 5-20 intake, and then add a programmer and, heh, I should be running a bazillion HP

 

After installing your filters/intakes, is there any difference in engine noise? I am just trying to get slightly better gas mileage and a little more power, but I don't want the truck to be any louder than normal.

Thanks

 

As a general rule you will get more turbo noise from an after market filter system not engine noise.

A louder "whistle" like you hear from a big rig as it passes you, though no where near as loud. Not offensive in my opinion, everyone who hears mine comments on how they like it, including my wife

 

qzilla,

Those are fine dyno sheets, could I bother you to send one of those kits to the Nashville dyno runs days that are going to be in 09-05? I will install it, run it on a 2003/04 Dodge, pay for the dyno time myself, and post the results here to help verify your numbers. That way all the members here can see two different independent tests on the same product, should quell any un believers etc. If you need me to pay for it I will and then when it's returned you can give me credit. Or if a member here wants it I'll ship it to them on my UPS account so you don't have to worry about freight costs. Let me know if that's agreeable to you and we'll get it all set up etc.

Mark @ DPPI

 

Is it just me, or does it seem like Mark is "calling out" qzilla? If you're truly interested in doing this, why not just give the guy a simple phone call? But...maybe I'm reading into something that really isn't there.

 

I agree it reeks of immaturity when a vendor goes after another vendor in this manner.

 

So there is something there, maybe some badgering going on? That aint right, and shouldn't be tolerated, but I'm just a newbie. But, it seems like it could be handled by phone calls, rather than calling someone out like this.

You're comment sounds spot-on.

 

I would love to see independant tests!

False claims are more immature than calling for idependant third party verification...

I am all for it...it would really help me decide which air filter/box is the best to stick infront of my cummins which is the sole purpose anyone is on this forum.

Maybe DTR could organize and facilatate 3rd party "verificaton".

"People of the Forum, for the Forum...blah blah blah.

Vendors would supply product to a few "neutral" board members, testing would occur...and then a write up to follow!

 

He won't call me or answer my call.

Christian,

All of my products have a 30day satisfaction guarantee. If someone bought a product and thought they were shortchanged they could return it.

Why would I make a bogus claim when I know it will be scrutinized and tested. If I say it makes 10hp you can believe it makes 10hp.

So here is my answer for Mark.

I will gladly send you one for testing. My question is what are you testing it with? What claims are you testing to match? Stock truck, modified truck?

As long as we know what you are looking for we will gladly send an airbox to you.

 

I guess you missed the point that one vendor calling out another on his claims is NOT the same as independent testing. Hardly an unbiased approach and I see it all the time. Vendors that want to take pot shots at each other need to do it somewhere else, it is bad for the entire industry and won't be tolerated here on DTR.

 

DirtEater & Lary,

No calling out or anything like it, the Ford site is having a once and for all review of all the 6.0 modules here in Nashville, in September. I have a buddy with a stock Dodge that we can put it on, run it on a Dyno Jet and see what we get here, it's as simple as that. That will solve the issue for those that don't think 35 HP is possible on a intake alone. I too get tired of the BS and this will either make it of shut it up either way it goes. Quad already is sending a 6.0 module for the test so why not include an air system. The guy putting the deal on here is running the show and will be doing the dyno operation as far as what goes on when and whatever etc. I will be sitting back and having a cool one and shooting the bull with the folks that attend, I do not have any modules in the fight (or air intakes for that matter) and am VERY interested to see the results of all the items tested, not just the intake. In fact it's really pretty low on my totum pole as I will have to put up with a lot of BS about a Dodge being on the dyno from the Ford crowd!!

P.S. Anyone is invited to attend, we will probably have a Friday afternoon/night hang out and then Saturday all day dyno runs and then Saturday nite dinner drinks etc etc. The dates are 9-2/3-05, the dyno is in Smyna TN approx a 20 minute drive from down town Nashville. We will be setting up a host hotel etc and plan group dinners etc for those that want to attend and so forth.ALL ARE WELCOME!

Mark @ DPPI

 

Results like that will always pique some of our interests.

Thats actually a real big gain from an air intake.

I would be interested in throwing my hat into this ring to see who nets the best EGT reduction...in the real world not on the dyno.

I also can see that each and every test will be thoroughly critiqued, dissected, shredded, evaluated, dismissed, accepted, posted over and over as a claim , boasted about, sang about, gloated over, drank over and the end user can decide from it all.

Please note...I have injected just a slight bit of humor in order to lighten things up on here a bit.

Long live the George Foreman Grill.

Scotty

 

Quad,

My response to:

"He won't call me or answer my call."

It's that you haven't called to my knowledge, we have 6 people running around here answering wireless and wired phones all day long, we don't miss many call if any calls, we have an back up voice mail system if we do miss one, each employee has a carbon copy message pad. I spend approx 2 hours a day returning calls from when I am out or at lunch or whatever. If you called you declined to leave a "person to person" message and declined to leave one on voice mail. I asked each employee before I posted this is they had every heard of aQUAD wanting to talk with me, they all alswered no. Can't return what I haven't gotten. We are on the same time zone so that can't be a problem. I will PM you my cell if that helps you if you need to call. It's on from approx 6.30AM till 7.00PM or so.

I didn't know I needed to call you to see if you wanted to have your product tested at my expense, the dyno's aren't free and I for one am **** curious how your intake does 35 HP. I will be the first to admit it does it if it does 35 HP as I don't have a dog in the hunt anyway!

Mark @ DPPI

 

Thanks for the invite Mark I just might make it down for that. Perhaps I misread your intent earlier, but anytime I see vendors squabbling on the site it really puts a burr under my saddle.

 

I am absolutely tired of people that are too ignorant to even read what is on my website or when I post. If you are going to call me out at least read what the heck I write back.

Christian wrote:
Gain 35 hp from the filter on a stock truck? I would love to see that dyno!

I responded:
Yes we have documented up to 35rwhp gains from the intakes ON A MODDED TRUCK. Normally you will see anywhere from 10-18rwhp.


These are the number 2 and 3 posts on this thread. How did you come up with 35hp on a stock truck? Please read instead of just ranting anytime you get the chance.

Now for the website. We have 1 page for ALL of our intakes. This includes, but not limited to the following:
01-06 GM Dmax
98-02 Cummins
99.5-04 7.3L Powerstroke
03-06 6L Powerstroke
03-06 Cummins

and a handful of gasser intakes.

I never claimed a certain power gain for any specific vehicle.
Now on the site we do say UP TO 35 HP GAINS.

Do you know what UP TO means?

Since I doubt you are going to read this anyways I will explain it.

UP TO would be referring to the MAXIMUM we feel that you may gain on your truck. Now we are in the business of manufacturing performance products, do you think we are selling to mostly stock trucks? Do we say 35hp on a stock truck?

So, I will gladly send you an intake, no skin off my back. They work great and are extremely easy to install and they look nice. If you plan on trying to crucify me for not making 35rwhp on a stock truck then go ahead, but if you can read at all I think you get my point.

Now lets look at AFE:

Part Number
54-10411 (75-10411 for Pro-Guard7). Also check out our 419 tube for this product.

MSRP (As Of 5/1/2004)
$375.38 ($441.07 for Pro-Guard7)

Vehicle Years
2003-2004

Models
Dodge Cummins Pickup 5.9L td

Product Bulletin
Click here for product bulletin

Instruction Sheet
Click here for instruction sheet

Airflow Increase
Coming Soon

Dyno Results
25 Hp increase over stock


http://www.afefilters.com/intakes.htm

They claim up to 25hp on Stage1

They claim up to 15hp on the tube

They claim up to 50hp gain on a Stage2

Now lets crucify them, 50hp?? They got 15 on my best guess.



The whole point is that they covered their scenarios just like I do, but you guys want to crucify me for it. The difference? I provided dyno sheets when called out.

So get over it and let us know what it made.

Quad