View Poll Results: Single turbo or twin turbo?
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Bigger single Turbo or Twin Turbo
08-01-2006 | 11:53 PM
#106
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Originally Posted by qzilla
Ok, I normally do not post in these but, after reading 4 or 5 pages of it I am shocked at an answer that NO ONE seems to have mentioned?
Turbo in a Bottle!
Seems that it is pretty darn easy to get this guy what he wants. He wants to drag (street) race. He wants to run 12's so that he can anihilate most of the street ricers. Now he is also on somewhat of a budget. We know he can afford most of the things, but that extra 1500-2000 for twins is stopping the show.
So here is the formula.
Pick your choice of an electronic "Stack" TST+EZ or whatever it is.
Add:
1 Intake
1 Built Tranny
1 Set of Gauges
1 4" Exuast minus the downpipe
1 Turbo of choice the 64/12 seems perfect for what he wants
1 Nitrous Kit
Bam, 12 seconds and 650+hp. All bolt on, no spooling issues etc.
I cannot believe more people do not run the bottle. Is there a holier than thou approach to all #2? Sure it is cool until the guy you are racing hits the go fast button.
Now as others have said there are various ways to get where you want to go, and pro's and cons to each.
For what the original poster wants I cannot imagine a better way to go, or a cheaper way to get there.
Quad
Turbo in a Bottle!
Seems that it is pretty darn easy to get this guy what he wants. He wants to drag (street) race. He wants to run 12's so that he can anihilate most of the street ricers. Now he is also on somewhat of a budget. We know he can afford most of the things, but that extra 1500-2000 for twins is stopping the show.
So here is the formula.
Pick your choice of an electronic "Stack" TST+EZ or whatever it is.
Add:
1 Intake
1 Built Tranny
1 Set of Gauges
1 4" Exuast minus the downpipe
1 Turbo of choice the 64/12 seems perfect for what he wants
1 Nitrous Kit
Bam, 12 seconds and 650+hp. All bolt on, no spooling issues etc.
I cannot believe more people do not run the bottle. Is there a holier than thou approach to all #2? Sure it is cool until the guy you are racing hits the go fast button.
Now as others have said there are various ways to get where you want to go, and pro's and cons to each.
For what the original poster wants I cannot imagine a better way to go, or a cheaper way to get there.
Quad
1.What kind of turbo is 64/12? just give me a specific one to buy
2. Will BHAF intake be good?
3. Is TC and VB enough for the trans?
4. The only reason I am NOT getting that guages is b/c TST already has a EGT and Boost gauage.
5. I am planing to do a Full 5" STRAIGHT PIPE exhaust.
Pretty much all the things I just asked you is what I am planing to do. Sounds good?
08-02-2006 | 12:08 AM
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1.) I was speaking of the SPS with a 12 cm exhaust housing for quick spool up
2.) Maybe, but I would get something that flowed more air for what you are doing. Just make sure you keep it clean. I would look at our Monster Air Intake or the 4 layer AFE or a K&N for what you want.
3.) Converter and valve body might last a little while but you will roast the clutches eventually if you are drag racing and then you will probably ruin your valvebody. Just know this going in.
4.)TST gauges are fine for what you are doing, you are not going to watch them anyways.
5.) I would run a 4" with a big tip if you like the looks. A 4" exhaust will spool quicker and make more torque down low than a 5". The 5" will make a few more hp on a dyno, but a 4" will be quicker.
Don't ask me how I know.
Oh, also you mentioned that your Cobra was cheap to mod. Well, I also own a Cobra and yes they make power easy, but 600rwhp is not cheap, anyway you slice it. You have to have a larger displacement charger unless you are on the spray which I am guessing you aren't or you would have already asked about nitrous on your truck. You are not making 600 rwhp on a port job and no happy gas. Yes the clutch is cheap, but EVERYTHING else on the Cobra is $$$$$. If you are running 600rwhp you need a wide band 02 sensor, bigger injectors, new half shafts at the minimum, multiple suspension mods to keep the IRS alive or wheel hop will kill you. You also have to have some tires and wheels as even a stock motored car is slow on factory rubber. All that adds a lot and I just scratched the surface.
Also once again don't ask me how I know.
Quad
2.) Maybe, but I would get something that flowed more air for what you are doing. Just make sure you keep it clean. I would look at our Monster Air Intake or the 4 layer AFE or a K&N for what you want.
3.) Converter and valve body might last a little while but you will roast the clutches eventually if you are drag racing and then you will probably ruin your valvebody. Just know this going in.
4.)TST gauges are fine for what you are doing, you are not going to watch them anyways.
5.) I would run a 4" with a big tip if you like the looks. A 4" exhaust will spool quicker and make more torque down low than a 5". The 5" will make a few more hp on a dyno, but a 4" will be quicker.
Don't ask me how I know.
Oh, also you mentioned that your Cobra was cheap to mod. Well, I also own a Cobra and yes they make power easy, but 600rwhp is not cheap, anyway you slice it. You have to have a larger displacement charger unless you are on the spray which I am guessing you aren't or you would have already asked about nitrous on your truck. You are not making 600 rwhp on a port job and no happy gas. Yes the clutch is cheap, but EVERYTHING else on the Cobra is $$$$$. If you are running 600rwhp you need a wide band 02 sensor, bigger injectors, new half shafts at the minimum, multiple suspension mods to keep the IRS alive or wheel hop will kill you. You also have to have some tires and wheels as even a stock motored car is slow on factory rubber. All that adds a lot and I just scratched the surface.
Also once again don't ask me how I know.
Quad
08-02-2006 | 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by qzilla
1.) I was speaking of the SPS with a 12 cm exhaust housing for quick spool up
2.) Maybe, but I would get something that flowed more air for what you are doing. Just make sure you keep it clean. I would look at our Monster Air Intake or the 4 layer AFE or a K&N for what you want.
3.) Converter and valve body might last a little while but you will roast the clutches eventually if you are drag racing and then you will probably ruin your valvebody. Just know this going in.
4.)TST gauges are fine for what you are doing, you are not going to watch them anyways.
5.) I would run a 4" with a big tip if you like the looks. A 4" exhaust will spool quicker and make more torque down low than a 5". The 5" will make a few more hp on a dyno, but a 4" will be quicker.
Don't ask me how I know.
Oh, also you mentioned that your Cobra was cheap to mod. Well, I also own a Cobra and yes they make power easy, but 600rwhp is not cheap, anyway you slice it. You have to have a larger displacement charger unless you are on the spray which I am guessing you aren't or you would have already asked about nitrous on your truck. You are not making 600 rwhp on a port job and no happy gas. Yes the clutch is cheap, but EVERYTHING else on the Cobra is $$$$$. If you are running 600rwhp you need a wide band 02 sensor, bigger injectors, new half shafts at the minimum, multiple suspension mods to keep the IRS alive or wheel hop will kill you. You also have to have some tires and wheels as even a stock motored car is slow on factory rubber. All that adds a lot and I just scratched the surface.
Also once again don't ask me how I know.
Quad
2.) Maybe, but I would get something that flowed more air for what you are doing. Just make sure you keep it clean. I would look at our Monster Air Intake or the 4 layer AFE or a K&N for what you want.
3.) Converter and valve body might last a little while but you will roast the clutches eventually if you are drag racing and then you will probably ruin your valvebody. Just know this going in.
4.)TST gauges are fine for what you are doing, you are not going to watch them anyways.
5.) I would run a 4" with a big tip if you like the looks. A 4" exhaust will spool quicker and make more torque down low than a 5". The 5" will make a few more hp on a dyno, but a 4" will be quicker.
Don't ask me how I know.
Oh, also you mentioned that your Cobra was cheap to mod. Well, I also own a Cobra and yes they make power easy, but 600rwhp is not cheap, anyway you slice it. You have to have a larger displacement charger unless you are on the spray which I am guessing you aren't or you would have already asked about nitrous on your truck. You are not making 600 rwhp on a port job and no happy gas. Yes the clutch is cheap, but EVERYTHING else on the Cobra is $$$$$. If you are running 600rwhp you need a wide band 02 sensor, bigger injectors, new half shafts at the minimum, multiple suspension mods to keep the IRS alive or wheel hop will kill you. You also have to have some tires and wheels as even a stock motored car is slow on factory rubber. All that adds a lot and I just scratched the surface.
Also once again don't ask me how I know.
Quad
1. Whats the SPS and whats the AK RAM? I need links for all these turbos that I have NO nlue about.
2. Whats the monster air intake, also need a link? So BHAF will not be good for the EGT's?
3. The only guages I would go for are the ISSPRO under the climate control, but since yu say the TST ones are fine, then forget ISSPRO.
4. Leave exhaust the way it is (I currently am running 4" straight pipe) b/c it will be quicker and spool faster.
CLICK my COBRA link and yu'll see all of mods on the cobra.
08-02-2006 | 12:40 AM
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Sweet Ride.......but ain't nuttin on that list cheap. Sorry, I don't feel for you near as much anymore and I think you should suck it up and buy twins. I am debating on running twins on my Cobra!!!!
Also on your list you left out the Nitrous Kit, that is vital with the route I mentioned. Any dry shot will do. I would make sure that you get a -4 line that feeds the nozzle and a nozzle that will flow as much as the line will allow. I would just run a single stage and turn it on at about 20psi or so with a boost switch. i would also run a WOT switch of some sort.
1.) SPS is the Super Phat Shaft turbos
2.) Monster Air Intake is a product we make
http://www.quadzillapower.com/prod_intakes.html
You can use almost any intake you want, but for flat out racing you want something that flows a lot of air. With that you will need to make sure you clean it regularly. The diesel guys like to see a lot of layers for dirt filtering which is fine, but they won't flow what a K&N or 4 layer AFE or our Green filter will.
While I am plugging myself you might like the looks of a digital gauge. It also has the ability to store max parameters and you can get several important gauges on it that you are not getting now like Rail Pressure and Fuel pressure. Not a necessity, but might work for you
http://www.quadzillapower.com/prod_commander.html
Quad
Also on your list you left out the Nitrous Kit, that is vital with the route I mentioned. Any dry shot will do. I would make sure that you get a -4 line that feeds the nozzle and a nozzle that will flow as much as the line will allow. I would just run a single stage and turn it on at about 20psi or so with a boost switch. i would also run a WOT switch of some sort.
1.) SPS is the Super Phat Shaft turbos
2.) Monster Air Intake is a product we make
http://www.quadzillapower.com/prod_intakes.html
You can use almost any intake you want, but for flat out racing you want something that flows a lot of air. With that you will need to make sure you clean it regularly. The diesel guys like to see a lot of layers for dirt filtering which is fine, but they won't flow what a K&N or 4 layer AFE or our Green filter will.
While I am plugging myself you might like the looks of a digital gauge. It also has the ability to store max parameters and you can get several important gauges on it that you are not getting now like Rail Pressure and Fuel pressure. Not a necessity, but might work for you
http://www.quadzillapower.com/prod_commander.html
Quad
08-02-2006 | 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by qzilla
1.) SPS is the Super Phat Shaft turbos
Quad
1.HTB2= $1435
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TURBO...QQcmdZViewItem
2. BD Super B Single= $1615
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BD-Su...QQcmdZViewItem
3. HT Sled Puller 66= $1525
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HT-TU...QQcmdZViewItem
4. HT "Quick Diesel"= $1525
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TURBO...QQcmdZViewItem
5. INDUSTRIAL INJECTION " SUPER PHAT SHAFT 66"= $1645
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DODGE...ayphotohosting
08-02-2006 | 07:54 AM
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Confusion
Originally Posted by VikingDiesel
who makes that turbo? Gotta link?
AK RAM is a guy posts on this site quite often and has swapped so many turbos in and out of his 03 CTD I think he has it down to minutes these days.
L8r,..........dogger
08-02-2006 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by qzilla
Sweet Ride.......but ain't nuttin on that list cheap. Sorry, I don't feel for you near as much anymore and I think you should suck it up and buy twins. I am debating on running twins on my Cobra!!!!
Also on your list you left out the Nitrous Kit, that is vital with the route I mentioned. Any dry shot will do. I would make sure that you get a -4 line that feeds the nozzle and a nozzle that will flow as much as the line will allow. I would just run a single stage and turn it on at about 20psi or so with a boost switch. i would also run a WOT switch of some sort.
1.) SPS is the Super Phat Shaft turbos
2.) Monster Air Intake is a product we make
http://www.quadzillapower.com/prod_intakes.html
You can use almost any intake you want, but for flat out racing you want something that flows a lot of air. With that you will need to make sure you clean it regularly. The diesel guys like to see a lot of layers for dirt filtering which is fine, but they won't flow what a K&N or 4 layer AFE or our Green filter will.
While I am plugging myself you might like the looks of a digital gauge. It also has the ability to store max parameters and you can get several important gauges on it that you are not getting now like Rail Pressure and Fuel pressure. Not a necessity, but might work for you
http://www.quadzillapower.com/prod_commander.html
Quad
Also on your list you left out the Nitrous Kit, that is vital with the route I mentioned. Any dry shot will do. I would make sure that you get a -4 line that feeds the nozzle and a nozzle that will flow as much as the line will allow. I would just run a single stage and turn it on at about 20psi or so with a boost switch. i would also run a WOT switch of some sort.
1.) SPS is the Super Phat Shaft turbos
2.) Monster Air Intake is a product we make
http://www.quadzillapower.com/prod_intakes.html
You can use almost any intake you want, but for flat out racing you want something that flows a lot of air. With that you will need to make sure you clean it regularly. The diesel guys like to see a lot of layers for dirt filtering which is fine, but they won't flow what a K&N or 4 layer AFE or our Green filter will.
While I am plugging myself you might like the looks of a digital gauge. It also has the ability to store max parameters and you can get several important gauges on it that you are not getting now like Rail Pressure and Fuel pressure. Not a necessity, but might work for you
http://www.quadzillapower.com/prod_commander.html
Quad
08-02-2006 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by qzilla
Ok, I normally do not post in these but, after reading 4 or 5 pages of it I am shocked at an answer that NO ONE seems to have mentioned?
Turbo in a Bottle!
Seems that it is pretty darn easy to get this guy what he wants. He wants to drag (street) race. He wants to run 12's so that he can anihilate most of the street ricers. Now he is also on somewhat of a budget. We know he can afford most of the things, but that extra 1500-2000 for twins is stopping the show.
So here is the formula.
Pick your choice of an electronic "Stack" TST+EZ or whatever it is.
Add:
1 Intake
1 Built Tranny
1 Set of Gauges
1 4" Exuast minus the downpipe
1 Turbo of choice the 64/12 seems perfect for what he wants
1 Nitrous Kit
For what the original poster wants I cannot imagine a better way to go, or a cheaper way to get there.
Quad
Turbo in a Bottle!
Seems that it is pretty darn easy to get this guy what he wants. He wants to drag (street) race. He wants to run 12's so that he can anihilate most of the street ricers. Now he is also on somewhat of a budget. We know he can afford most of the things, but that extra 1500-2000 for twins is stopping the show.
So here is the formula.
Pick your choice of an electronic "Stack" TST+EZ or whatever it is.
Add:
1 Intake
1 Built Tranny
1 Set of Gauges
1 4" Exuast minus the downpipe
1 Turbo of choice the 64/12 seems perfect for what he wants
1 Nitrous Kit
For what the original poster wants I cannot imagine a better way to go, or a cheaper way to get there.
Quad
08-02-2006 | 05:32 PM
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The initial hit of nitrous will probably cool the temps slightly, but over all N20 will make the egt's rise.
Basically what you are doing is injecting compressed, very cold oxygen into the cylinder which makes the fire burn hotter so it burns more fuel. The more fuel you can burn in a given amount of time will make more power. It is a simple math calculation really.
His egt's are going to be through the roof for 10 of the 12 seconds he cares about. I have run trucks over 2000 degrees for 8-10 seconds and they will live for a while like that.
N20 is the only thing that will satisfy his desires. It is inexpensive and easily replaces a twin turbo setup for a 1/4 mile pass.
Basically what you are doing is injecting compressed, very cold oxygen into the cylinder which makes the fire burn hotter so it burns more fuel. The more fuel you can burn in a given amount of time will make more power. It is a simple math calculation really.
His egt's are going to be through the roof for 10 of the 12 seconds he cares about. I have run trucks over 2000 degrees for 8-10 seconds and they will live for a while like that.
N20 is the only thing that will satisfy his desires. It is inexpensive and easily replaces a twin turbo setup for a 1/4 mile pass.
08-02-2006 | 05:50 PM
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I really don't see your point. Why would someone want to settle with 2000 degree temps and shooting NOS. I was in the same boat 8 months ago. I couldve shot NOS and had a fast truck but your tranny will soon be the WEAK link and you will be walking home. Instead I saved all winter long until I could buy the turbo and put a bullet proof tranny in.
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