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Old 09-29-2008, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by cquestad
Hey...

I am ONLY addressing the original post's question to why not 600 hp?

Smoke not clearing up...means one of two things...

Under turbo'd or low rail pressure. Period.

Marks truck did 575 with the same fuel and a SPS 62 WITH a Stage 2.

So...you are probably both low on rail and low on air.

Just my observations to why not 600...
Agreed...while I am holding 25.5K RP through the entire run, I would lean more toward needing more air.
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Originally Posted by DUKCALN
For 2007 5.9, low RP, dought it, lack of turbo, possible. I do think a larger turbo would compliment his set up well. As for me, I think I could of used a tad more RP. He may have made 600hp with some timing changes and a tad more playt ime on the dyno. He was soooooo close. But your right it could of been one of two things. I lean more to the air side of it.
Thanks..I am leaning toward more air rather than RP. Gonna have to find me a 64/71/14 to see if I can break 600hp on LCD's 224x.
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Christian,

I missed where the question was asked about 600 hp...
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Originally Posted by 2007 5.9
Agreed...while I am holding 25.5K RP through the entire run, I would lean more toward needing more air.
really?? I'd think if you're only hitting 1250 at the end of a the 1/4 mile, you're fine on air.
Old 09-30-2008, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 2007 5.9
On TNT/R, I used sw#9 tq-4 tm-3 rp-3 rpm-stock shift-stock
I'm trying to understand what I'm reading. So on your runs, you set the TNT/R to NOT use the raised RPM/4000 feature, and it was 30hp stronger than the TNT? I assumed the TNT/R was just the TNT tune that would rev higher and I was wrong....good to know(happens all the time)

Also, your stock CP3 didn't dip down at all w/90s, you maintained 25.5K? Wow, you better hang on to that pump!

One more thing, as a point to Marco and Bob, I sure would like them to consider keeping the 4.2 alive for future and the PoD tuning. PLEASE!
Old 09-30-2008, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by jlibert
really?? I'd think if you're only hitting 1250 at the end of a the 1/4 mile, you're fine on air.

I don't know JP, I hit 1350* at the end. What else is there to do? I figure a little more air on top will get me over the 600hp barrier, but I guess ifvi dyno on a 248, and hit 605 like ithink I will then Mission Accomplished!!!
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Originally Posted by 2007 5.9
Agreed...while I am holding 25.5K RP through the entire run, I would lean more toward needing more air.
While, Im not doubting you at all, but that seems unbelievable w/ the stock CP3 especially w/ 90hp injectors. That TNT should be draining the rail to below that w/ stock injectors. Like I said, I know me and a few other folks who have stock CP3's with the TNT program and your size sticks can drop the Rail to 10k and it will ever slow slowly get back to the high teens. So I guess what Im saying is to have the strongest stock CP3 pump Bosch ever produced or that gauge is FUBAR'd. Either way congrats on the number.
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Originally Posted by Hintz
While, Im not doubting you at all, but that seems unbelievable w/ the stock CP3 especially w/ 90hp injectors. That TNT should be draining the rail to below that w/ stock injectors. Like I said, I know me and a few other folks who have stock CP3's with the TNT program and your size sticks can drop the Rail to 10k and it will ever slow slowly get back to the high teens. So I guess what Im saying is to have the strongest stock CP3 pump Bosch ever produced or that gauge is FUBAR'd. Either way congrats on the number.
we can't figure it out either. Les' truck is a freak. His stock pump holds pressure better than most stage 2 pumps!!! I just put a stock pump back in my truck, and rp drops to 13-14k and builds up to about 21-22k at the end of a run. Thats with 120 hp injectors.

Les, next time we meet up, I'll let you use my gauge and see if it makes a difference.
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Originally Posted by jlibert
we can't figure it out either. Les' truck is a freak. His stock pump holds pressure better than most stage 2 pumps!!! I just put a stock pump back in my truck, and rp drops to 13-14k and builds up to about 21-22k at the end of a run. Thats with 120 hp injectors.

Les, next time we meet up, I'll let you use my gauge and see if it makes a difference.
Sure thing JP...I would love to find out if my gauge is bad. But I think that the lack of POPING that everyone is having with a lack of RP would lead me believe that my RP is just fine.

But for sure we can swap gauges and see which one is accurate!!
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Originally Posted by tcr
I'm trying to understand what I'm reading. So on your runs, you set the TNT/R to NOT use the raised RPM/4000 feature, and it was 30hp stronger than the TNT? I assumed the TNT/R was just the TNT tune that would rev higher and I was wrong....good to know(happens all the time)

Also, your stock CP3 didn't dip down at all w/90s, you maintained 25.5K? Wow, you better hang on to that pump!

One more thing, as a point to Marco and Bob, I sure would like them to consider keeping the 4.2 alive for future and the PoD tuning. PLEASE!
Yes, I only ran the TNT/R to do a comoparo to TNT and Beta 4.2. Same settings same load same speed same everything. Just one tune to another. I have since turned the 4000rpm part on and notice no difference in SOTP except just pulls longer.
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Originally Posted by 2007 5.9
Sure thing JP...I would love to find out if my gauge is bad. But I think that the lack of POPING that everyone is having with a lack of RP would lead me believe that my RP is just fine.

But for sure we can swap gauges and see which one is accurate!!
I think you're right. Mine popped on one run
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Originally Posted by 2007 5.9
Dont worry..when LCD moves...we will be able to do alot of custom runs!!!

Where is LCD moving to now?
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nice. that is a good run considering when i dynoed with my mods i only hit 550hp. i need to get back on that dyno with my new mods to see where im at now. but im all the way in idaho now. nice truck.
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hey guys not to jump your thread, but i think my cp3 is a freak too lol.im also currently running a stocker. just recently added the arson for no real reason. the lowest my r/p has ever been was TNT sw9, t/q4,r/p3.it dipped down to 18,000.the rest of any program it goes to about 23 to 24,000.
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Originally Posted by mulisha
hey guys not to jump your thread, but i think my cp3 is a freak too lol.im also currently running a stocker. just recently added the arson for no real reason. the lowest my r/p has ever been was TNT sw9, t/q4,r/p3.it dipped down to 18,000.the rest of any program it goes to about 23 to 24,000.
maybe it's an 07 thing


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