02 Ram V10 w/ 50" tires thinks he'll beat my in a truck pull?
08-18-2007, 10:25 AM
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Might not be as one-sided as you think...
You should outpower him, but 300/515 vs. 325/610 stock isn't exactly a world of difference, even though your Edge should widen the gap even if he's tweaked all 488 cubes (in which case he's likely past 350/600).
Assuming the hitch height difference takes more weight off your rear tires, CTDs are front-heavy anyhow - too bad the front diff is open!
That V-10 is backed up by the same driveline a Cummins had, so I doubt there'll be too much actual carnage with a pair of slushboxes duking it out.
I'm sure you'd find your truck was a bit of a slug if you tried to roll it on 50"s too - that's a huge amount of rotating mass to accelerate!
Don't forget that hooking chains isn't a matter of acceleration - just brute force multiplication.
Several years ago I pulled a 19K# Cat 'dozer out of a hole he dug after high-centering on a massive root ball - with the 10K# '98 V-10 in my sig long before I put the new $$$$$ tranny in...
You should outpower him, but 300/515 vs. 325/610 stock isn't exactly a world of difference, even though your Edge should widen the gap even if he's tweaked all 488 cubes (in which case he's likely past 350/600).
Assuming the hitch height difference takes more weight off your rear tires, CTDs are front-heavy anyhow - too bad the front diff is open!
That V-10 is backed up by the same driveline a Cummins had, so I doubt there'll be too much actual carnage with a pair of slushboxes duking it out.
I'm sure you'd find your truck was a bit of a slug if you tried to roll it on 50"s too - that's a huge amount of rotating mass to accelerate!
Don't forget that hooking chains isn't a matter of acceleration - just brute force multiplication.Several years ago I pulled a 19K# Cat 'dozer out of a hole he dug after high-centering on a massive root ball - with the 10K# '98 V-10 in my sig long before I put the new $$$$$ tranny in...
08-18-2007, 11:09 AM
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It should be horribly one sided. First, use a long chain and try to get the hitch points as close to the same height as possible. The horsepower/torque numbers don't mean squat in this case. They are PEAK numbers only. That V-10 will not develope torque nearly as early as that CTD. Those big tires he has are death on asphalt hooks. They start to bounce as soon as he breaks traction and his driveline will let go. His gear ratio is likely much taller than yours. I'd power brake the CTD to about 5-6 psi when you get tight and give it hell, but nice and smooth.
I drug around a VERY nice (one of the most beautiful 70's era trucks I've ever been around) beast of a truck like a rag doll in a very similiar situation. It was a late 70's Ford F350 with a 500+ hp very strong 460 v8 on 44's (I think) 4:56 gears and jacked up like crazy. He had a drop hitch and I turned my drop hitch up side down to get the hook heights even. That big block made a lot of good sounding racket, but he never had a chance, and I'm pretty much bone stock. We pulled 3 times and it was a joke every time. I was very nervous the first run, but that subsided as soon as my foot hit the firewall. Of course these two situations have many differences, but it should be pretty fast and painless pull for the CTD. (oh and drop a little air pressure in your tires
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All of this is assuming an asphalt pull (parking lot). A dirt pull may be completely different. I've never been in this type of situation on dirt so I have no clue what would happen there.
I drug around a VERY nice (one of the most beautiful 70's era trucks I've ever been around) beast of a truck like a rag doll in a very similiar situation. It was a late 70's Ford F350 with a 500+ hp very strong 460 v8 on 44's (I think) 4:56 gears and jacked up like crazy. He had a drop hitch and I turned my drop hitch up side down to get the hook heights even. That big block made a lot of good sounding racket, but he never had a chance, and I'm pretty much bone stock. We pulled 3 times and it was a joke every time. I was very nervous the first run, but that subsided as soon as my foot hit the firewall. Of course these two situations have many differences, but it should be pretty fast and painless pull for the CTD. (oh and drop a little air pressure in your tires
) All of this is assuming an asphalt pull (parking lot). A dirt pull may be completely different. I've never been in this type of situation on dirt so I have no clue what would happen there.
08-18-2007, 11:50 AM
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Soft tires are less grippy than a harder compound? I bet to differ. It's obvious that soft tires are going to conform and stick to the surface better, at least a hard surface. A few years back I switched from some cooper radials to goodyear mtr's and the first thing I noticed when trying to do a burnout was that it took longer to get them to break loose, and when I let off the brake they didn't lay even a 1/4 the length of 11's on the street than the coopers did. I think it would be close either way.....hard to tell.
08-18-2007, 12:36 PM
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I thought it was a sled pulling deal. My mistake I agree that its going to be close. If he has real low gears and can crawl his truck it may be a bad situation. Best of luck to you and I am behind YOU 100%
08-18-2007, 02:03 PM
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Soft tires are less grippy than a harder compound? I bet to differ. It's obvious that soft tires are going to conform and stick to the surface better, at least a hard surface. A few years back I switched from some cooper radials to goodyear mtr's and the first thing I noticed when trying to do a burnout was that it took longer to get them to break loose, and when I let off the brake they didn't lay even a 1/4 the length of 11's on the street than the coopers did. I think it would be close either way.....hard to tell.
Those 49 irocs are SOFT...he will have a traction advantage over the cummins...
08-18-2007, 03:28 PM
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The impression I drew form your post was that they could spin because they were soft. With as large and soft as they are, along with what I understand to be stock drivetrain and gearing I don't see him spinning them in a pull off.....unless it's in the mud. I see what you were trying to say after I re-read a little more closely.
08-18-2007, 05:23 PM
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be sure to duck (real low) when you hear a loud pop...most likely it'll be the chain and it'll be headed through your back window!! good luck and don't loose your head. 
