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Old 09-01-2012 | 09:51 PM
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Works great for keeping a high mileage 7.3L alive too!. been running it for years on a Ford with over 350K on it...
Old 09-02-2012 | 04:02 AM
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Been using it on my '06 since I bought it back in 2008. I put a quart in every few tank fill ups and you can hear the difference. I even have the missus doing it while I'm away, and even though she loves her truck and knows nothing about diesels she clearly hears the difference when it's been given its medicine
Old 09-02-2012 | 07:34 AM
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It is not something that you can see like the nozzles on the older diesels. The common rail injectors are electrically controled valves. The needle and bore are poduced to 1/10,000 or an inch. Most other engine parts have a clearance of 1/1000 of an inch. The tolarance of the injectors is so close that almost anything that gets into the injector will cause wear or cause the needle in the injector to stick, open or closed. The injector will fire 2 or 3 times per power stroke (depending on the model year) and with pressures up to 25,000psi, higher with a pressure box added. Lubrication with good filtration and water removal is a must for these injectors to last.
I understand the design and function of the injectors.

But I have yet to see any of the folks who work with/rebuild/test injectors regularly endorse or in any other way, weigh-in on the issue of 2-stroke oil, be it for or against. I am pretty sure these guys can "see" what the oil does or doesn't do.

I would like for them to chime in.
Old 09-16-2012 | 04:55 AM
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Two weeks later and still no injector gurus have chimed in.

Anyone?
Old 09-18-2012 | 08:33 PM
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I run 1/2oz per gallon. Have been for years in this truck and the one before that.

I feel its more important for the lube provided for the rotating parts that carry fuel. Fuel does not have much in the way of lubricity. Also, you get a little top end lube with each injector cycle. TC3 leaves no ash or residue as its made to burn.

My last truck, a 2000 3500 went 203,000 miles without changing the VP-44 and would always get 80 to 90,000 miles on the lift pumps. My friend bought it and is still running the original VP44. He is still using Two Stroke.

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Old 09-19-2012 | 06:18 AM
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I run 1/2oz per gallon. Have been for years in this truck and the one before that.

I feel its more important for the lube provided for the rotating parts that carry fuel. Fuel does not have much in the way of lubricity. Also, you get a little top end lube with each injector cycle. TC3 leaves no ash or residue as its made to burn.

My last truck, a 2000 3500 went 203,000 miles without changing the VP-44 and would always get 80 to 90,000 miles on the lift pumps. My friend bought it and is still running the original VP44. He is still using Two Stroke.

Dave
Understood, and I don't doubt you for one second. Thanks for your input.

I myself have used it in a couple of tanks without any ill effects.

...and it is interesting that still no injector experts are chiming in on this. I am not just interested in learning of any risks, but I also want to learn about benefits, real and not just perceived.

I want someone who has looked at tons of injectors and has the experience that has shown him the difference, if any, between injectors that burned two-stroke, and those that didn't. I'd even be interested in seeing cylinders and pistons that have run the two-stroke.

You see guys, until that happens, it's all just hearsay, perceptions, and seat-of-the-pants discussion, without any real or meaningful merit...just like the still ongoing myths about burning transmission and used motor oils in your fuel.
Old 09-19-2012 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by kry226
I have asked this several times before, but to date, no one has answered the question that I am aware...

What do the injectors look like after extended use?
Originally Posted by kry226
I understand the design and function of the injectors.

But I have yet to see any of the folks who work with/rebuild/test injectors regularly endorse or in any other way, weigh-in on the issue of 2-stroke oil, be it for or against. I am pretty sure these guys can "see" what the oil does or doesn't do.


I would like for them to chime in.
Originally Posted by kry226
Two weeks later and still no injector gurus have chimed in.

Anyone?
Originally Posted by kry226
Understood, and I don't doubt you for one second. Thanks for your input.

I myself have used it in a couple of tanks without any ill effects.

...and it is interesting that still no injector experts are chiming in on this.
I am not just interested in learning of any risks, but I also want to learn about benefits, real and not just perceived.

I want someone who has looked at tons of injectors
and has the experience that has shown him the difference, if any, between injectors that burned two-stroke, and those that didn't. I'd even be interested in seeing cylinders and pistons that have run the two-stroke.

You see guys, until that happens, it's all just hearsay, perceptions, and seat-of-the-pants discussion, without any real or meaningful merit...just like the still ongoing myths about burning transmission and used motor oils in your fuel.


Perhaps you should call diesel shops and directly inquire.
Old 09-19-2012 | 08:36 AM
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Or even contact the people that rebuild them. There are only a few "Big name" rebuilders and I bet they may have some good info.
Old 09-19-2012 | 09:11 AM
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Got it, but what would that benefit the community membership here? It would still be hearsay.

While it may sound this way, I am not seeking this info solely for my own benefit. But if those "big name" folks, some of which post here and on other forums come online and say, "These are my findings...," how much more would we all benefit from that?
Old 09-19-2012 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by kry226
Got it, but what would that benefit the community membership here? It would still be hearsay.

While it may sound this way, I am not seeking this info solely for my own benefit. But if those "big name" folks, some of which post here and on other forums come online and say, "These are my findings...," how much more would we all benefit from that?

I don't think it is a conspiracy. That's the tone I'm starting to hear anyway.

If you talk to a shop and they tell you what they think, you can simply report that Shop X said ___ in regard to ___. The membership will believe it or not. It isn't a court of law around here. Its the internet. We're all big girls and boys. We can take a look at the source and the info provided and decide for ourselves how to use the information.
Old 09-19-2012 | 11:13 AM
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Try to contact Don M at F1 Diesel http://www.f1diesel.com He is also a member here. He doesn't post often because he is usually too busy!! He will give you an honest answer and I would imagine he could even provide pics. Many members here have sent him their injectors for repair or upgrade. He is extremely knowledgeable on injectors and what causes damage and the best way to take care of them.
Old 09-19-2012 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by rockcrawler304
Try to contact Don M at F1 Diesel http://www.f1diesel.com He is also a member here. He doesn't post often because he is usually too busy!! He will give you an honest answer and I would imagine he could even provide pics. Many members here have sent him their injectors for repair or upgrade. He is extremely knowledgeable on injectors and what causes damage and the best way to take care of them.

Exactly who popped into my head. But I'm not about to take up the man's time unless I had a set of injectors in front of him
Old 09-19-2012 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by rockcrawler304
Try to contact Don M at F1 Diesel http://www.f1diesel.com He is also a member here. He doesn't post often because he is usually too busy!! He will give you an honest answer and I would imagine he could even provide pics. Many members here have sent him their injectors for repair or upgrade. He is extremely knowledgeable on injectors and what causes damage and the best way to take care of them.
X2 - I'd be curious to know what he says if you talk to him.

Also, I am not an injector expert. But about 4 years ago, I had a chance to speak to someone that works for Cummins at their HQ in Columbus, and I asked him if any fuel additives are recommended. He said he personally uses Stanadyne about once a month. I asked about 2-stroke oil, and he suggested staying away from it - that it may cause problems with the injectors.

My 2 cents - if you're going to put something in your engine/fuel, make sure it was specifically designed for a modern diesel engine.
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