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Old 09-24-2008 | 10:41 PM
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Wix fuel filters or Dodge

I have always used the fuel filter from my dealer. Have any of you tried the Wix Fuel filters and had any problems?
Old 09-24-2008 | 10:52 PM
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have always purchased my fuel filters from cummins dealer... seems a bit pricey at $16 for a paper filter for my 97

does anyone know of a cheaper source that's equal in quality?
Old 09-24-2008 | 11:20 PM
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I run the wix 7 micron and have had zero problems but not a whole lot cheaper.13 bucks
Old 09-25-2008 | 04:09 AM
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Here is a good source for filters but they are prob about the same price in most cases. It is just nice to have it shipped to your door.

I prefer Fleetguard (stratapore) filters.........made by Cummins for Cummins. I wouldn't just order the fuel filters though....it would make more sense to buy a bunch of oil and fuel filters at the same time...and perhaps with other stuff too.

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Old 09-25-2008 | 04:53 AM
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It's my understanding that the Wix is not a water seperator, whereas a lot of people like the Baldwin 7977. A lot has been posted recently concerning this issue.
Old 09-25-2008 | 05:48 AM
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It's my understanding that the Wix is not a water seperator, whereas a lot of people like the Baldwin 7977. A lot has been posted recently concerning this issue.
I've got Baldwin 5 Micron's coming to put in my truck to replace the one 7 micron that may be causing the problem with my truck, you can read about it in another thread. Thought I don't think it is the 7 Micron that is the problem and I know lots of people are fine with them.
Old 09-25-2008 | 08:14 AM
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I've been running Wix 7 mic in my truck for 100,000 miles with no problems... I change them every 10,000 miles. Same thing we use on all of our company trucks in which some have well over 200,000 miles on them...
Old 09-25-2008 | 10:51 AM
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All 2003 and up engine should be using a 7 micron or smaller filter that can also separate water out of your fuel. My self I think the 2000 up engines that use the FS19855 filter should be using the 7 micron or smaller filter instead of the 10 micron. I now use the Baldwin PF 7977 as I can buy it cheaper locally then I can the Fleetguard Stratapore fuel filter online. I've read a few post in the past week on other forums that say Wix fuel filters may not be able to take care of water in our fuel.

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The below info was made possible by a lot of research by ah64id here on dieseltruckresource.com. This is all of his hard work and not mine.


So after reading a few threads on fuel filters and getting conflicting information I did some more research. As it stands right now I can only find 2 fuel filters that meet current CR specs. Fleetguard, (Cummins/Mopar) and Baldwin. Wix isn’t close and Donaldson isn’t.

Current specs, based on TSB 14-007-06 5.9 CR motors require a 7 micron absolute filter. While the TSB only talks about MY06-07 I called several dealerships and asked for fuel filter PN's for older than 06 trucks, all come up with 68001914AA, the new 7-micron absolute filter. So the searching began.

The Fleetguard FS18000E is absolute at 7 microns (96% efficient at 5 microns) but the gasket isn’t ULSD compatible, so use FS19856 (same filter different gasket)...this is the OEM filter. Has a 14 gr. dirt holding capacity

Baldwin PF7977 is nominal at 1-2 microns and absolute at 5 microns, has a 24gr dirt holding capacity.

Donaldson lists P550785 is absolute at 10 microns.

The Wix 33585XE is nominal at 7 microns. Wix 33585 is nominal at 10 microns.

I am sure there are other filters being used but those are the big ones I know of.

Absolute is 98.7% efficiency and nominal is 50% efficiency.

I have also read, but not verified, that Bosch specs a 5-micron filter for the CP3, and that GM now uses a 2-micron filter.

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I currently have a Baldwin 5 micron in my 2005 truck.

I called and talked with Donaldson and they had no clue that the specs had changed, and since the sell the Fleetguard filter with there name on it I would expect to see them carry the newer filter soon. The same is with Amsoil, they had no clue about the change, and were actually specking WIX filters, which appear to be the worst of the bunch... that should be changing.
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When I finish all my mounting and connect all the hoses I will have a total of 4 filters/water separators lined up in the following order:
1. Fleetguard FS1065 @ 10 micron absolute.
2. Baldwin 7977 (in the stock canister) @ 5 micron absolute.
3. Fleetguard FF5320 5 micron absolute.
4. Cat 1R-0750 4 micron absolute.

All I have left is mounting the Fleetguard FS1065 behind the t-case and the Cat 1R-0750 in the engine bay somewhere.

With all these filtration, this should satisfy Bosch requirement and hopefully protect my sticks for at least 100K.
Old 09-25-2008 | 12:05 PM
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since Wix won't answer the question when asked, i'd assume that it's not a water separator. if this will be your only fuel filter, it better be able to pull the water out of the fuel.

the Baldwin filter is a 5 micron filter, is a water separator, and can be had for less than $10 a piece. easy choice if you ask me.
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First and foremost WIX doesn't meet the OE specs for filtration.. whether or not its a F/W filter...
Old 09-25-2008 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by PRO-NRA
When I finish all my mounting and connect all the hoses I will have a total of 4 filters/water separators lined up in the following order:
1. Fleetguard FS1065 @ 10 micron absolute.
2. Baldwin 7977 (in the stock canister) @ 5 micron absolute.
3. Fleetguard FF5320 5 micron absolute.
4. Cat 1R-0750 4 micron absolute.

All I have left is mounting the Fleetguard FS1065 behind the t-case and the Cat 1R-0750 in the engine bay somewhere.

With all these filtration, this should satisfy Bosch requirement and hopefully protect my sticks for at least 100K.

WOW... and I thought I was filter nuts with 3, Baldwin BF1212, Baldwin PF7977, and Cat 1R0750...
Old 09-25-2008 | 04:13 PM
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WOW... and I thought I was filter nuts with 3, Baldwin BF1212, Baldwin PF7977, and Cat 1R0750...
John,

After all that I will add a Fleetguard FS1212 @ 20 micron upsteam. By then I will have to add a pusher pump to help out the stock lift pump. Any suggestions what pump I should use?
Old 09-25-2008 | 05:36 PM
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I was buying my Fleetguard from Gino's. The filter cost around $14.95 plus freight. Total price approx $21.00 for one fuel filter.....I found a local dealer that sell the Baldwin PF7977 5 micron that I can get for around $8.00. Just serviced my truck and installed the Baldwin PF7977 no problems runs great....For now the Baldwin will be what I'm running on my truck....No need to wait for UPS anymore...
I e-mailed WIX about two weeks ago and asked about their fuel filter. I'm still waiting to hear from them. So I think you can guess what I will not use. I'm not knocking WIX they may be ok, but customer service does mean something. Good thing I wasn't in a bind for the information.
See if you have a local dealer where to can buy the Baldwin PF7977. I do believe you'll be happy with it
Old 09-26-2008 | 09:26 AM
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John,

After all that I will add a Fleetguard FS1212 @ 20 micron upsteam. By then I will have to add a pusher pump to help out the stock lift pump. Any suggestions what pump I should use?
That is a TON of filtration... do you live somewhere with poor fuel?

I too am trying to decide what pump to run, so far I have found a few I like.. FASS HPFP, AD Raptor... except they all flow a little more than I would like... The 1212 is rated for 89 GPH, the PF7977 (guess based on compatibility) is rated for 59 gph, and the 1R0750 (again guess based on compatibility) is 99 GPH.. so the OE filter is the choke point, meaning I want a fuel pump that is about 50 GPH at 15 psi... and haven't found it yet... (The 400 + hp Marine 5.9 QSB only needs 50 GPH.. and only uses 26 GPH at rated rpm/hp)

But then again if AD and FASS use 100 and 150 GPH pumps and filters only rated for 59 and 19 GPH maybe I don't need to worry... but higher flow than rated flow reduces efficiency.


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