Superlift with Thuren Track Bar
#1
Superlift with Thuren Track Bar
I just ordered my track bar from Thuren on Friday. Is anyone using Thuren's track bar with a 6" Superlift? Thruen sent me a reply when I ordered and said that I need to make sure that the drop down backet that the track bar mounts to is solid. No movement. He said if there is to weld it to the frame. I went out and looked at the Superlift bracket. It looks very solid. Thick metal bracket with three large bolts holding it together. My question is if anyone is running the Thuren track bar with the superlift, did you weld your bracket? Have you had any problems if you didn't? Suggestions.
#2
I have both and no, I didn't weld it. There's no need. Don may have seen problems with some and they could have been older versions that Superlift sold. Or since there's so much force put on the bar... it's possible those bolts can come loose. Mine haven't so far.
If you want TOTAL control and smooth handling... don't stop at his track bar, get the whole steering set up. It's like night and day from the stock crap.
If you want TOTAL control and smooth handling... don't stop at his track bar, get the whole steering set up. It's like night and day from the stock crap.
#4
I hope that kit is double shear. I was n his website a little while ago, and all I can say is . He is using single shear on shocks on a Super Duty kit, and that is a
Do you know if your shock kit is single or double shear?
#5
No no?
FWIW there are TONS of shocks mounted in single shear from very reputable companies, and SD shocks are single shear from the factory.
Single shear does have it's place. I'm not saying that it's better than double shear in any way, but sometimes there is nothing wrong with doing it.
The custom SD hoops that I did the front shocks on, kinda needed it done that way for space reasons. Since the guy had the 12" shocks already with a straight hose, I had to turn the shock sideways, and keep it as high as possible. On the lower end, it was either get a shorter shock, or run it RIGHT up against the inner C so that the knuckles didn't hit the shock. I'da much rather slapped some tabs on there than have to drill and sleeve the tube..
Now regarding single shear issue...
If done right with a big enough safety margin, there's nothing WRONG with using it when it works out. If this truck was running coil overs do you think it would be that way? No way...
#6
Oh....
In regards to the drop brackets supplied with most lift kits..
It's not that the bracket is not beefy enough, but rather that there is no way a bolted on bracket can provide the clamping force required to not allow the bracket to shift. If under load, the bracket even shifts 1/8" that is felt a TON in the steering wheel. These trucks are heavy, and with the impact/road/shock forces going through the bar so high, you can't really rely on a sub-bracket not to move.
Most of the brackets I have seen move enough that welding them in place is helpful, and if they are not shifting now, it probably won't be long as they get hammered down the road over a few thousand miles..
In regards to the drop brackets supplied with most lift kits..
It's not that the bracket is not beefy enough, but rather that there is no way a bolted on bracket can provide the clamping force required to not allow the bracket to shift. If under load, the bracket even shifts 1/8" that is felt a TON in the steering wheel. These trucks are heavy, and with the impact/road/shock forces going through the bar so high, you can't really rely on a sub-bracket not to move.
Most of the brackets I have seen move enough that welding them in place is helpful, and if they are not shifting now, it probably won't be long as they get hammered down the road over a few thousand miles..
#7
sorry, don't mean to steal this thread but, it might help some....
Hey Don... I've meant to call you about this. Remember I mention that by stabilizer bolt was different than what you have seen ?
Well, I just realized the other day that it's because the factory stabilizer mount has to be cut off to use the Superlift stabilizer. Their kit has their own bracket that is used instead
So, now that may factory mount is gone ! can you suggest a way I should mount the Fox shock ? If I put a #8 bolt through the hole like we talked about, the shock sits back too far. The Superlift bracket mounts a few inches back from where the factory mount was.
Hey Don... I've meant to call you about this. Remember I mention that by stabilizer bolt was different than what you have seen ?
Well, I just realized the other day that it's because the factory stabilizer mount has to be cut off to use the Superlift stabilizer. Their kit has their own bracket that is used instead
So, now that may factory mount is gone ! can you suggest a way I should mount the Fox shock ? If I put a #8 bolt through the hole like we talked about, the shock sits back too far. The Superlift bracket mounts a few inches back from where the factory mount was.
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#8
All that though has nothing to do with Don's steering kits. The Heims joints on the linkage DO NOT have any play and the steering couldn't be better when using them.
#9
I have a Thuren track bar along with a superlift 6" lift and 2" spacers in the front. Awhile ago I was battling SEVERE death wobble. It was so bad I really could not drive the truck. After doing alot of research on the subject I installed the Thuren track bar, welded the drop bracket, and had an alignment done. DW is completely gone now. I too had second thoughts on welding the bracket on the truck, but after having such a bad experience with death wobble I wanted to take every measure I could to stop the problem and make sure it never comes back. So far so good!
P.S. Thanks Don for all the help in getting my problem cured.
P.S. Thanks Don for all the help in getting my problem cured.
#10
I have a Thuren track bar along with a superlift 6" lift and 2" spacers in the front. Awhile ago I was battling SEVERE death wobble. It was so bad I really could not drive the truck. After doing alot of research on the subject I installed the Thuren track bar, welded the drop bracket, and had an alignment done. DW is completely gone now. I too had second thoughts on welding the bracket on the truck, but after having such a bad experience with death wobble I wanted to take every measure I could to stop the problem and make sure it never comes back. So far so good!
P.S. Thanks Don for all the help in getting my problem cured.
P.S. Thanks Don for all the help in getting my problem cured.
#13
No no?
FWIW there are TONS of shocks mounted in single shear from very reputable companies, and SD shocks are single shear from the factory.
Single shear does have it's place. I'm not saying that it's better than double shear in any way, but sometimes there is nothing wrong with doing it.
The custom SD hoops that I did the front shocks on, kinda needed it done that way for space reasons. Since the guy had the 12" shocks already with a straight hose, I had to turn the shock sideways, and keep it as high as possible. On the lower end, it was either get a shorter shock, or run it RIGHT up against the inner C so that the knuckles didn't hit the shock. I'da much rather slapped some tabs on there than have to drill and sleeve the tube..
Now regarding single shear issue...
If done right with a big enough safety margin, there's nothing WRONG with using it when it works out. If this truck was running coil overs do you think it would be that way? No way...
FWIW there are TONS of shocks mounted in single shear from very reputable companies, and SD shocks are single shear from the factory.
Single shear does have it's place. I'm not saying that it's better than double shear in any way, but sometimes there is nothing wrong with doing it.
The custom SD hoops that I did the front shocks on, kinda needed it done that way for space reasons. Since the guy had the 12" shocks already with a straight hose, I had to turn the shock sideways, and keep it as high as possible. On the lower end, it was either get a shorter shock, or run it RIGHT up against the inner C so that the knuckles didn't hit the shock. I'da much rather slapped some tabs on there than have to drill and sleeve the tube..
Now regarding single shear issue...
If done right with a big enough safety margin, there's nothing WRONG with using it when it works out. If this truck was running coil overs do you think it would be that way? No way...
That's fine, you have an opinion on it, and so do I. It's cool, nothing wrong with that. I jsut personally would not run single shear on my truck is all. I am all about overkill, and my theory is why leave something to chance? Ya know? As long as we can respect each other's opinion (even if we have a different one) no point in arguing and getting feather's ruffled. Thanks for taking some light critiscm the righ tway, and responding in a professional manner. Shows alot about you and how you probaly run your business. Good to see. Alot of people would have taken that offensively and responded in a tone. Thanks!
#14
Sorry to sound stupid, but what is single and double shear?
My double shock kit is from Superlift. I actually have three shocks up front.....talk about "overkill". I already had the one bilstien in place and the Superlift kit adds two more outside the coil mounted one. When I ordered I screwed up and ordered a complete 2 shock kit thinking that it meant 2 total. Well they shipped me two more, so I said what the hell and mounted the two new ones. It did make a difference, but I think I agree with Coolhand 37, I will just go ahead and have it welded for good measure.
Don, thanks for your input as well. Looking forward to getting my track bar!!
My double shock kit is from Superlift. I actually have three shocks up front.....talk about "overkill". I already had the one bilstien in place and the Superlift kit adds two more outside the coil mounted one. When I ordered I screwed up and ordered a complete 2 shock kit thinking that it meant 2 total. Well they shipped me two more, so I said what the hell and mounted the two new ones. It did make a difference, but I think I agree with Coolhand 37, I will just go ahead and have it welded for good measure.
Don, thanks for your input as well. Looking forward to getting my track bar!!
#15
Sorry to sound stupid, but what is single and double shear?
My double shock kit is from Superlift. I actually have three shocks up front.....talk about "overkill". I already had the one bilstien in place and the Superlift kit adds two more outside the coil mounted one. When I ordered I screwed up and ordered a complete 2 shock kit thinking that it meant 2 total. Well they shipped me two more, so I said what the hell and mounted the two new ones. It did make a difference, but I think I agree with Coolhand 37, I will just go ahead and have it welded for good measure.
Don, thanks for your input as well. Looking forward to getting my track bar!!
My double shock kit is from Superlift. I actually have three shocks up front.....talk about "overkill". I already had the one bilstien in place and the Superlift kit adds two more outside the coil mounted one. When I ordered I screwed up and ordered a complete 2 shock kit thinking that it meant 2 total. Well they shipped me two more, so I said what the hell and mounted the two new ones. It did make a difference, but I think I agree with Coolhand 37, I will just go ahead and have it welded for good measure.
Don, thanks for your input as well. Looking forward to getting my track bar!!
Here is single shear (look at the upper shock mount)
Here is double shear:
Here is single shear (look at bottom shock mount)
Here is double shear: