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Old 11-17-2007 | 11:43 PM
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Try here for starters, Lektrikman -
https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...injection+pump
Old 11-18-2007 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Lektrikman
While we're on the subject of scanners and electronic controls, has anyone found a good manual, maybe from Cummins, on the CR engine control system for our Dodge's. What I am looking for is a manual that will provide an overview of the engine control system, the various components that make up the system and their functions as well as how they relate to the ECM.
I'm wanting to learn more about the engine control system so when it quits in the middle of nowhere I might be able to help myself. Thanks, Lektrikman
Try: cummins quickserve, https://qsol.cummins.com/info/index.html

You need your ESN (Engine Serial Number), which is on the left side of your gear box cover, kind of hard to read, but readable, then you can register and get online owner's, repair/replacement for engine and engine electronics, parts, diagrams. Hope this helps.
Old 11-18-2007 | 07:17 PM
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Hmmm...AutoEnginuity told me not to use the SCI connector on a CAN equipped vehicle.
Well...I dunno. When they sent me my stuff, they forgot to include the SCI connector. So I called them and asked if I needed it since I have a CAN truck, and they told me I still needed it for the enhanced features because of the way Chrysler has their components set up. I am still confused about that, but the OBD connector won't let you actuate the commands, so I guess it must be true.
Old 11-18-2007 | 07:28 PM
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Walmart has them $65. Works great, I have used it for a couple years without an issue. Heck when I was having a low fuel pressure problem on my Dmax I drove with it plugged in so I could keep reseting the code and get out of limp mode. Oh what a joy those trips were!
Old 11-18-2007 | 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jrussell
The option is there, but when you click it there's something that comes up and says the test can't actually be performed on this vehicle. I think 53Willy's also said his did the same thing.

Have you actually tried to perform the test yet?
I have not tried the injector kill test yet so I still don't know if it works with the AE tool...but they did tell me if it did not that it should and that I should call them if I had any trouble......I will try it on my truck in the morning and see if it works for sure or not........
Old 11-19-2007 | 11:54 AM
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The AutoEnginuity sounds interesting. Actually watch whats going on with the sensor that set the code instead of clear the code and then try to figure out what caused the code.
Or does it actually help you that much? Do they give you the specs for each sensor, or the range of operation of each sensor?
You can't adjust anything other than the programable stuff or can you even do that?
I just started playing with it. You can see just about every sensor and component on the truck. It is almost too much information, it will take a while to sort through the software. I got the full expansion, so there is everything under the sun in there.

It shows you the range of operation for each component. Some do show a setpoint, but I haven't messed with it enough to give a lot of specifics off the top of my head.

From what I have experimented with, you can actuate the different component tests such as the injector kill, ramp up idle speed, etc. With the full expansion I can even actuate stuff like door locks, dome lamps, radio volume, lift pump relay, HVAC controls, pretty much anything that is electrically controlled.

One thing I wish it did was allow you to enable factory options such as accessory delay, high idle, change tire size, etc. I was thinking about talking to AE to see if they would come out with an update that allowed you to program the factory-optional settings. But they might be hesitant to allow any programming with their software.
Old 11-19-2007 | 01:34 PM
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I know for sure now that the injector kill test works!!! I just did it on all my injectors....
Old 11-19-2007 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 53 ******
I know for sure now that the injector kill test works!!! I just did it on all my injectors....
Thanks for the update man!

Did you use the standard connector or the SCI connector?
Old 11-19-2007 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jrussell
Thanks for the update man!

Did you use the standard connector or the SCI connector?
just the standard connector.....like you said earlier the SCI connector does not work on the CAN trucks.....

BTW I only have the powertrain enhanced not the full enhanced....
Old 11-19-2007 | 03:22 PM
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Old 11-19-2007 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 53 ******
just the standard connector.....like you said earlier the SCI connector does not work on the CAN trucks.....

BTW I only have the powertrain enhanced not the full enhanced....
Man, I'm starting to get really frustrated with AutoEnginuity. I've had two completely different answers from their support and each guy swore up and down he knew what he was talking about.

The first call I make the guy says the SCI connector won't work with a CAN truck and I must use the standard one. Then he says you don't really get the full powertrain enhanced capability when used on an 06+ Dodge Cummins. He said it won't perform many of the tests and stuff.

I call back today and another guy tells me the standard connector does not have the capability to read the extra sensors and performs tests. He tells me to plug in the SCI connector to use the enhanced version. The SCI wouldn't connect in the software so he tells me I have to send it back for an update (and pay for shipping both ways). Then I'll be able to use the SCI connector and have the added capability of the enhanced version.

Since you guys can both access those features then both of these guys from AE were obviously wrong. What still puzzles me now is BigHornCTD says he's using the SCI connector and it's working, and you're using the standard connector and it's also working...but I can't get either of them to work on mine!
Old 11-19-2007 | 03:47 PM
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Well this is getting interesting isn't it? I am still confused also.

I too was not happy when I tried the standard OBD connector and could not use the actuations. I figured I just wasted a bunch of money. But for the heck of it I tried the SCI connector and it worked. Maybe I better call AE and see if something is wrong. Their instructions do say that the SCI connector is not used on CAN trucks, and the software will tell you if you are using the wrong one. But the tech guy told me the same thing as jrussell, I needed to use the SCI to get the enhanced features.

Wasn't there some sort of programming change on 06.5+ trucks? Mine was built in March '06, when were your trucks built? Maybe this has something to do with it.
Old 11-19-2007 | 06:34 PM
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I don't know what to say?????? the injector kill test worked for me with the standard connector........I know Justin's got a 06.5 what about you bighorn is your truck a 06.5 or a 06??? maybe that's has some thing to do with it????
the one thing I did notice was once I started to kill the injectors I could switch to any #injector I wanted but I could not stop the test....after I checked all the injectors I had to shut the truck off to get the last injector to come back "on"????I will call them and see what they think???
BTW Snap-on scanner=thousands not hundreds...they are nice but way to spendy IMHO
Old 11-20-2007 | 08:12 AM
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Thank you EVERYONE for all your answers, now I have to make a choice
Old 11-20-2007 | 11:05 AM
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Ok, here's a little update...

Went out and tried again using the standard connector and finally got the injector kill test to work! I was killing them one after the other in numerical order and noticed #3 felt very different, then it actually stalled out when I killed #5. I tried again and turned the kill test off between each one and they all felt exactly the same that time. I take it this means you're not supposed to kill one after the other without turning the test off in between?

I'm glad it finally worked for me, but apparently this last guy at AE was completely wrong and was just going to waste my time and shipping costs. Another issue I'm having is the update speed. When you try to data log more than 1 or 2 sensors simultaneously the updates occur so slow the data isn't even usable. The logs are showing 2+ seconds between sensor readings during the same update, so if you're logging RP and RP setpoint the RP updates first and then 2+ seconds later the RP setpoint updates. By that time the RP has changed so the two readings really have no correlation to each other. Do you guys have this problem when data logging with the enhanced version (it does fine for me in the standard version)?

I really wish it did the contribution test too.


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