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Old 12-24-2008 | 06:26 AM
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Precision 464's or 351's

I just bought some Precision 464's for my front axle shafts. I took them out of the box and they have 351 stamped on them.

Is that right? Are they the same parts?

I'm sure i read some where about a batch in the wrong boxes. I got these from Rock Auto and had them shipped to the UK.
Old 12-24-2008 | 08:35 AM
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Yep, here's the link...Get with Rockauto and have them send the correct parts.

https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...d.php?t=221422

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Old 12-26-2008 | 05:07 PM
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****! I thought that was the case. It's a real pain as i dont suppose they'll send out the right parts till i send the others back.

Trouble is i cant use the truck till it's done as it failed it's yearly inspection because of the U Joints.
Old 12-29-2008 | 01:50 PM
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Ok, i emailed Rock Auto re this and got the following response;

although the PRECISION Part # 464 universal joints you
received from us have the number 351 cast into the cross, these are still the
correct universal joints. Standard Motor Products recently changed the manner
in which they manfacturer part #464. Please read my explaination below which
explains this:

1. The old Standard Motor Products part# 464 had 464 cast into the cross where
as the "new 464" has 351 cast into the cross.
2. The "new 464" is around .070-.090" wider overall (measured across the part
itself and at the machined portion where the bearing cups contact the cross).
3. Standard Motor Products made up for the difference in the offset of this
part machining the retaining clip grooves further down the bearing cup.

In summary, Standard Motor Products is using the universal joint with the 351
cast to produce part# 464, which I imagine was done for the purpose of
reducing the manufacturing costs of producing part #464. Please note that we
have confirmed with other customer we have sold "new 464" that this part fits
correctly. We would also be very appreciate if you could make a post a reply
to the thread you found on the truck forum that discusses this.
Old 12-29-2008 | 11:18 PM
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Hmm..... I just did ball joints and u-joints on mine last week. All parts ordered from Rock-Auto. I didnt check, but my U-joints went together fine.
Old 12-30-2008 | 02:45 AM
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Hmm..... I just did ball joints and u-joints on mine last week. All parts ordered from Rock-Auto. I didnt check, but my U-joints went together fine.
Were the u joints Precision parts?
Old 12-30-2008 | 08:26 AM
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i get a 5% discount from rockauto so i want to order precision greaseables for my 2004.5 ram 2500. anyways how many ujoints are there in total?6? i want to replace all of them . can i get some part #s so i can order?
Old 12-30-2008 | 08:27 AM
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I was going to get my u-joints from NAPA, are the ones from Rock-Auto supposed to be better?? There's also a guy on E-Bay that sells them for like $50...
Old 12-30-2008 | 09:19 AM
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quality

Quality isn't determined by which vendor you buy from. Quality is determined by manufacturer brand. I use a lot of Precision joints and have no issues. Spicer is a quality brand also.
Old 12-30-2008 | 10:57 AM
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i know im annoying with my posts but what #s do we need to order for spicer or precision? i would like all u joints even front ones by wheel hubs . and greaseable as well.
Old 12-30-2008 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by sallyman1
i know im annoying with my posts but what #s do we need to order for spicer or precision? i would like all u joints even front ones by wheel hubs . and greaseable as well.
Sorry, I can't help you with the numbers. But if you have an idea of what manufacturer brand joints you want, then ask your parts guys for that brand and he'll cross reference to it.

I'm not sure why you want to replace all joints?? Unless you are suffering vibration problems or some indicator that you have problems, you will probably replace most of your joints for no reason. Then you'll put yourself at risk of a bad joint or a bad install or some other installation glitch.
Old 12-30-2008 | 11:07 AM
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i have vibration issues. all i wanna know is how mnany are there? i think 2 for back 2 for front ad the 2 by the hubs? are the ones at the front hubs different than the other 4? are the other four the same? i mean can i like order 4 * 351's or 4 * 464's?
Old 12-30-2008 | 11:15 AM
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Sally,

are you talking about driveshaft u-joints or axle u-joints. There are only 2 axle u-joints, those are in the front and the Precision p/n is 464. I'm getting mine from Oreily auto parts since they are the closest...napa also has them for the same price. If you talking about drive shaft u-joints then that's a different thing, I think we have 1410's??
Old 12-30-2008 | 11:20 AM
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1410 as in the number? what i mean is on rockautos site it lists tons of u joints. I have a 2004.5 ram 2500 4X4 diesel crew cab short box. up front for steering axle i believe is 464 and we need 2 of them. but what about the rest of the truck?do i get 4 = 351A's or 4 = 330A's or 4 = 534G's or 4 = 235's?I want precision GREASEABLE......see what i mean which ones?
Old 12-30-2008 | 11:27 AM
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Oh I C.

1340, 1350, 1410...the bigger the number the larger the u-joint, these are spicer numbers I believe.

I'm not exactly sure which ones we have, but i'm sure someone will chime in shortly.

IMHO i find it best to purchase parts like these from local vendors as it makes it easier to replace them if they are incorrect or a warranty item, that way you don't have to wait for shipping or play phone tag.


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