Oil for 2004 HO Cummins
01-20-2004 | 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by Jack Thorpe
I have always used Rotella, I like the smell
Just kidding. I guess I use Rotella because so many other people do. I know that's not a very scientific reason to use it, but I've never heard of anyone who wasn't happy with it.
I have always used Rotella, I like the smell
Just kidding. I guess I use Rotella because so many other people do. I know that's not a very scientific reason to use it, but I've never heard of anyone who wasn't happy with it.
01-21-2004 | 12:09 AM
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From: The Great White North
Originally posted by jlells01
The only thing about Rotella not to be "happy" about is it's cold-weather performance...Delo, Delvac, and Pennz. Long-Life all have much suprerior cold flow properties.
The only thing about Rotella not to be "happy" about is it's cold-weather performance...Delo, Delvac, and Pennz. Long-Life all have much suprerior cold flow properties.
01-24-2004 | 11:20 PM
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ive been using cenex maxtron deo (synthetic blend) in my last two trucks
its a CH -4 rating and not a CI rating
however
I called the tech line and asked them about the rating , the guy told me that the oil contained the same additive package as their CI rated oil , they just havent gone through the licence process yet
ive been very happy with the performance of this oil as far as cleaning the soot off parts and putting into the filter where it belongs. and the price is right as well
so Ive opted to use it in my new truck as well and hope they will change the rating to include CI
its a CH -4 rating and not a CI rating
however
I called the tech line and asked them about the rating , the guy told me that the oil contained the same additive package as their CI rated oil , they just havent gone through the licence process yet
ive been very happy with the performance of this oil as far as cleaning the soot off parts and putting into the filter where it belongs. and the price is right as well
so Ive opted to use it in my new truck as well and hope they will change the rating to include CI
02-07-2004 | 12:43 PM
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From: Where water boils at 193.4°
If you can find Mystik JT-8 Super Heavy Duty in your area, it is CI-4 rated.
http://www.citgo.com/Products/LubesO...kEngineOil.jsp
http://www.citgo.com/Products/LubesO...kEngineOil.jsp
02-07-2004 | 03:11 PM
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I noticed that the engine was quiter after the last oil change, going from the dealer oil to Delvac 1300. Now that I'm getting close to my next 3750mi change the engine noise seems to slowly be picking up again, like valve clatter, ticks, etc. I'll do Delvac again, and since I'll be at 15k miles I might try a blend of 2 to 3 qts of Delvac 1 with the 1300.
02-07-2004 | 11:34 PM
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This may come as a big shocker to the forum, because one of it's 'concrete truths' the forum seems to believe in, is that CI-4 oil is required. I got email a few days ago straight from the cummins powermaster, saying that Cummins engines without EGR only required CH-4. 
The sky is falling! Of course - if ppl knew what CI-4 actually was about - they'd know they could run ch4 without probs. Most that do know choose ci-4 just to be with the most up to date/advanced product. I do as well, but CH-4 is absolutely fine!
The sky is falling! Of course - if ppl knew what CI-4 actually was about - they'd know they could run ch4 without probs. Most that do know choose ci-4 just to be with the most up to date/advanced product. I do as well, but CH-4 is absolutely fine!
02-08-2004 | 09:38 AM
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I just ordered oil for my 04 CTD, I did order CI-4 rated oil, the company's highest. Also ordered oil for are farm tractor's from the same company and the rep recommended not going with the CI-4 rated oil for them, he said there CH-4 rated oil actually has more additives and in his opinion is a better oil, he said the CI-4 oil is formulated for emmisionived engine but not the best for "older" engines. I just thought I had better stay with what the book says.
02-08-2004 | 11:50 AM
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From: Where water boils at 193.4°
Mystik's JT-8 is rated for CI-4 as well as CH-4, CG-4, CF-4 & CF/SL. It should work for all of your applications if you can find it in your area. It is used in a lot of farm applications in this area.
02-08-2004 | 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by jlells01
The only thing about Rotella not to be "happy" about is it's cold-weather performance...Delo, Delvac, and Pennz. Long-Life all have much suprerior cold flow properties.
The only thing about Rotella not to be "happy" about is it's cold-weather performance...Delo, Delvac, and Pennz. Long-Life all have much suprerior cold flow properties.
02-08-2004 | 02:13 PM
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I know Diesels don't have the corrosive byproducts that gas burners do, and wonder if I'm being paranoid, clinging to the obsolete 3 month/3,000 mile thing...
On the contrary, since even low sulfur (.05%) diesel fuel contains more sulfur than gasoline, you are producing more sufuric and sulfurous acid. That is why diesel engine oils typically have a an antiacid additive measured as TBN (Total Base Number) when an oil analyis is done. Typical oil change intervals are governed by a number of factors like oil pan capacity, fuel consumption (engine load factor) and used oil TBN rating. A good rule of thumb is to change oil at half the new oil TBN rating. To do that requires that you invest in oil analysis to determine used TBN. Most labs know what the new oil TBN rating is.
Some mentioned their favorite oils. I use Chevron Delo 400. It is a CI-4 oil. Previously, Chevron put the markings on their quart and gallon bottles that the oil met the requirements of EGR diesel engines like the Cummins ISX (first EPA certified EGR engine). Later, Chevron put CI-4 in their API approval circle on the bottles. API did not allow the use of the terminology CI-4 until the spec was actually released by API (American Petroleum Institute).
On the contrary, since even low sulfur (.05%) diesel fuel contains more sulfur than gasoline, you are producing more sufuric and sulfurous acid. That is why diesel engine oils typically have a an antiacid additive measured as TBN (Total Base Number) when an oil analyis is done. Typical oil change intervals are governed by a number of factors like oil pan capacity, fuel consumption (engine load factor) and used oil TBN rating. A good rule of thumb is to change oil at half the new oil TBN rating. To do that requires that you invest in oil analysis to determine used TBN. Most labs know what the new oil TBN rating is.
Some mentioned their favorite oils. I use Chevron Delo 400. It is a CI-4 oil. Previously, Chevron put the markings on their quart and gallon bottles that the oil met the requirements of EGR diesel engines like the Cummins ISX (first EPA certified EGR engine). Later, Chevron put CI-4 in their API approval circle on the bottles. API did not allow the use of the terminology CI-4 until the spec was actually released by API (American Petroleum Institute).
02-08-2004 | 05:13 PM
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If I recall correctly, with gas engines the difference in oil rated SG/SH, and oil rated SJ is that anti friction additives that tend to poison the catalitic converter were removed to help cars pass the 100,000 emission standard. Additives (containing zinc if I remember right) that get into exhaust from blow by/PCV valve or oil burning eventually make the catalist worthless. The additives removed apparently were to resist gear shearing of long chain molecules, and apparently the difference was made up by increasing other additives.
Most motorcyclists who ride something that uses a common oil in the gearbox and engine, and do not have catalatic converters tend to avoid SJ oils. Many motorcycle specific oils are still rated SG.
I wonder if CI-4 could have been created for a similar reason?
Most motorcyclists who ride something that uses a common oil in the gearbox and engine, and do not have catalatic converters tend to avoid SJ oils. Many motorcycle specific oils are still rated SG.
I wonder if CI-4 could have been created for a similar reason?
02-08-2004 | 05:24 PM
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That is kind of what my supplier implied, I think. The rep said that the CI-4 oil is specially designed for ERG engines, non erg engines are better off using only CH-4 rated oil. Although there CI-4 is also CH-4 rated he said for our farm equiptment to stick with there older CH-4 oil.
02-09-2004 | 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by Jeff in TD
I wonder if CI-4 could have been created for a similar reason?
I wonder if CI-4 could have been created for a similar reason?
http://bulktransporter.com/ar/transp...new_ci_engine/
02-09-2004 | 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by Jeff in TD
I wonder if CI-4 could have been created for a similar reason?
I wonder if CI-4 could have been created for a similar reason?
http://bulktransporter.com/ar/transp...new_ci_engine/