It's ironic how people in the oil business won't support things that make their products work better. They don't profit from better performance - just selling more of it.

 

Show me the fuel filter part number to varify the claim. I believe there is debris/dirt in fuel. The picture was of a cut open fillter: the debris (undefined as to what it actually is) is still before the filter media (OUTSIDE TO IN) My real world tests are conducted in laboratories and in field applications using controlled test parameters. An opinion based on ignorance, is just that. Show me the data from a controlled test. It is what I use to make decisions.
High end magnets do what they advertise they do; My issue is what is after the filter element, not before it! You decide!

 

My thought exactly; It's ironic people who do not know what they are talking about usually attack people who might know! Last time I looked 25 micron (filtration) is still less then 40 micron size particles. (low end of the visible range) If you make recommendations to people, who might be spending their hard earned money, lets hope they are based in facts not BS. If that much dirt is passing through the 20m then 7um fuel filter: I would be looking as to why and then correct the issue with another option; No disrespect intended.
ps: I don't sell oil.

 

I was trying to explain to somebody here the other day on a different thread about fuel filters how you cannot trust the filter ratings, and yes real-world experiment and EXPERIENCE should be the guiding factors, IMHO. But that's not the point.

The point is anything you can do to increase the performance of the system is going to benefit to some degree. Dismissing things out of hand as gimmicks to your own self-esteemed narrow-mindedness is dumb. The fact that filters and magnets do work in these applications is indisputable. OEMs have been putting magnets in pans and covers for decades. If you want to continue arguing that point, you can argue with somebody other than me.

 

Funny, that was my opinion of (you) your rant. I do not know of any OEM's who put magnets in filtered fuel/oil applications. (before the element-dumb)
I put my experience and qualifications in the thread as why I would make such a statement; WHY DO YOU NOT ENLIGHTEN US WITH YOUR QUALIFICATIONS.
hmm' thought so!
I could give a hoot if you want to install a magnet to remove dirt/debris before the filtering media. The issue I have is people who offer an opinion based on ? ? for people who want to spend their money. (they ask for an opinion)
ps: I do use magnets in unfiltered applications: diff's and transfer cases; only to see, when I do a regular(filtered) oil changes, to see if I am trouble.
I usually only dismiss stupidity; It is good for my self esteem! (also keeps my money in my pocket)
Teaching my clients to have the same "narrow mindness" has saved their company's millions of dollars and thier jobs from disapearing overseas.
"slagging someone else, to defend an opinion based on misinformation, is in poor taste. You can take the feed back any way you want: I really don't care if you waste your money. (it's not mine) I wouldn't recommend it (magnet)

 

You realize of course, you are on a Dodge forum here? Have you ever had the pan off a Dodge truck transmission? I'm usually not the first to step up in Dodge's defense, but having a magnet in there is an excellent idea to control ferrous contaminant circulating in a system with a very marginally effective filtration system. MHO.

Evidently, the things you don't know of would fill volumes.

Don't feel the need to, and it wouldn't matter anyway, since I'm not promoting myself as some sort of lube expert. Just sharing information from my personal experience. Like some others with pictures, no less.

 

Wow! Ok, here goes...

The filter that I cut open is a Fleetguard FF5320 2 micron fuel filter as commonly sold and marketed by Glacier Diesel Products.

http://www.glacierdieselpower.com/pr...f_id=FF5320-UK

The filter element in the factory canister is a Fleetguard FS19856 7 micron filter sold by Geno's Garage.

http://www.genosgarage.com/prodinfo....mber=FS19856_P

I have no idea off the top of my head what the 20 micron filter is, but it's a fleetguard as well.

Me too. I understand it to be normal, and that's why I would like to think I'm doing a good job filtering. I know all the stuff about fill up at large fueling stations, etc.

Yes, this is what I said too. It's simpler to stick the magnets on the outside of the filter than on the inside. BUT, the fuel has already been filtered by the 20 micron AND the 7 micron Fleetguards. Realize the magnets are the 3rd line of defense, and the 2 micron filter is the 4th.

Oh my goodness! I'll try not to take offense to this one! I'm not throwing out opinions here. I'm showing what I know to be true, and not trying to force anyone to believe my way.

That's what I was checking to see...and that's what I found to be true.

Me too. Again, this is after the 20 micron and the 7. It is before the 2 micron. Sorry if this was unclear...

Hmmm, ya I agree here too. I think it's obvious the pictures don't show one or two particles. They show outlines of a whole jigobble of particles. I do know they were too small to feel. If the particles were separated individually, they probably would be too small to see as well.

I'm not making anything up here. And I'm definately not selling products either. I just thought I was being helpful by putting up a couple pictures.

Well, it's obvious that there is alot passing through the 20 micron and 7 micron filters. I guess it would be reasonable to say then, that for the most part, the conglomeration seen is comprised of particles smaller than 7 microns. I'm not sure what correcting could be done here, other than follow up with high quality magnets and a good 2 micron filter as well.

I guess that makes me feel a little better?

No hard feelings here...

However, it takes a considerable amount of time to post pictures, answer questions, read through comments, etc. I am just about to the point that I hesitate to even try to help anyone on here anymore.

At any rate, have a great weekend!!!

--Eric
ps 62.8

 

I do agree with you enafzige; from an analytical prespective, I would want to know what the picture (filter) is of. I did not have an issue with your opinion/reply. You supplied facts and an opinion on what you observed; You paid for the unit and cut the filter to observe the results; To me, this validates your visual test. My data came downstream from hydraulic oil filters and shows no improvement in ISO particle counts, when the same magnet was used. My clients run tests on different products (filtration, oils, additives, etc) all of the time. In 23 years of doing this, I guess I get a 'little pissy" when I get "jumped" by ACE, who offered an opinion, and an ignorant reply, but with no support data. I only had an issue from ACE, who from what I can tell only had a opinion. The statement you referred to, was not directed at you or your observations. I should have directed the response only to Ace for it was not meant to be directed to you.
What worries me is the amount of particles in the fuel after 20 and a 7 micron filter. I think the next time I'm at the open pit and undeground mines, I deal with, I think we will grab fuel samples at the dispenser to find out what we have for particles and their size. I think your response was valuable; don't stop

 

Yeah, "nice gimmick" Eric!

And sorry for having an opinion, Mr Lubemanager. You got "jumped" because you've been spoiling for me since a similarly snyde comment in another thread a couple weeks ago. You didn't feel obliged to offer any details then, so I figured it was about time.

It is after all, just an Internet forum. Peace.

 

Call me paranoid but I’m magnet crazy. I have the following magnets on my truck:
1. Both differentials: Mag-Hytec magnetic drain plug
2. G56: magnetic drain plug plus additional rare earth magnets on the PTO cover plates
3. Engine: oil pan magnetic drain plug, FilterMag on oil filter and on Amsoil bypass
4. Fuel: FilterMag on FS1065 to Baldwin PF7977 to FF5320 and CAT 1R-0749
I figured it can’t hurt. It also increase by5 MPG.

 

Hey Ace
I have had the transimission oil pan off both my 01 and my 06. In the volumes of what I don't know, I guess would be there would be a section on how you would control ferrous metals in a automatic transmission using a plug magnet; HOW LAME! My opinion of your experience and/or qualifications still has not changed. A little knowledge is almost as bad as no knowedge. I am not sure where you get your information. I would be suggest you be more careful when dispensing free advice and childish rants.
From what I see, you did not offer anything more then a opinion, (doesn't matter how you reached the conclussion, it appears) From what I gather, from being on this forum; is people seek advice to improve the experience and component life of their vehicles. In my opinion, maybe you should stick to replies, that you have experience in. At least ENAFZIGE, did a test, published his findings to validate his perspective. He also responded to my concern regarding filters, in the picture. I provided support material as to my experience with these magnets. You did nothing but "run off at the mouth" My mistake was making him feel he posted the same un-supported observation you did.

 

Eric.....Do you have a link or a good source for the Rare Earth magnets like you used? How much are these? I also run the Fleetguard 2 micron filter too....downstream from the stock 7 micron and pre-strainer. I've considered adding a 2nd 2 micron filter too. Might not be a bad idea to wrap my filter with one. TIA.



now....back to your regularly scheduled "war of words" between Ace and LM..

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ACE
I am unsure as to remark you were referring to; I don't go after anyone unless stupidity is displayed. I only reply to posts I think I offer a valid solution to. It is the internet; it is where I go to research issues. When I seek an opinion, I hope it is offered by someone who has experience, and knows what they are talking about.
I got a 5MPG improvement; went downhill with a 80MPH tailwind.
disregard my writing boo boo in the earlier rant

 

I am glad you guys like it; It was a boring afternoon, pork butt on the smoker, odd woobly pop, but I got to go, company is here!
thanks

 

I run magnets also... front and rear diff, oil pan, trans drain plug. Here's where I got em'.... http://www.kjmagnetics.com/
also on my dual CAT-1R-0749's... sounds like me and Pro-NRA have a lot in common about being excessive.