is it illigal to take out catatlitic
is it illigal to take out catatlitic
10-17-2004 | 09:52 PM
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Many on this board may disagree with me on this, but your motor was designed to work with the cat. With the tight tolarences and the sea of electrons the '04.5 and newer 3G motors have, IMHO, it would be a mistake to remove the cat.
But remember, if something goes wrong and the dealer discovers your cat was removed...."You are now your own warranty station".
Don't quote me the Moss-Magneson act, I have heard that DCX is voiding warranties for having an after-market air-filter.
But remember, if something goes wrong and the dealer discovers your cat was removed...."You are now your own warranty station".
Don't quote me the Moss-Magneson act, I have heard that DCX is voiding warranties for having an after-market air-filter.
10-18-2004 | 06:33 AM
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It is a federal regulation that a catalytic converter not be tampered with. As a result most shops won't do it. If you remove it yourself and live in a lax state regarding emissions inspection you might get away with it. If you get stopped by DOT for any reason then all bets are off.
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10-18-2004 | 01:40 PM
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If you take off the cat it is a violation. Most shops will not remove it because there can be a huge fine involved. As for the warranty, I find it hard to believe the warranty would be voided. How would the removal of the cat cause a major malfunction? I went to my dealer with the AFE, 4inch exhaust no cat. The service tech looked at my truck and Said "Nice Mods, where is your chip?" No issues at all with minor mods at my dealer. I woudn't worry to much about it. If a cummins motor blows up because of a Cat removal, I'm switching to Ford
10-18-2004 | 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by chrismez
If a cummins motor blows up because of a Cat removal, I'm switching to Ford
If a cummins motor blows up because of a Cat removal, I'm switching to Ford
To each his own on MOD's. My '98 12 CTD was BOMB'd and I enjoyed it alot, but my new '05 is staying completely stock. Several issues ago, the TDR ran an article titled "The factory knows best" I think there is some truth to that.
BTW - Ford is worse than DC in denying warranty claims due to mod's.....and why would you ever whant to drive a ford 6.0?
10-18-2004 | 10:03 PM
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Originally posted by Buzzer
It is a federal regulation that a catalytic converter not be tampered with. As a result most shops won't do it. If you remove it yourself and live in a lax state regarding emissions inspection you might get away with it. If you get stopped by DOT for any reason then all bets are off.
It is a federal regulation that a catalytic converter not be tampered with. As a result most shops won't do it. If you remove it yourself and live in a lax state regarding emissions inspection you might get away with it. If you get stopped by DOT for any reason then all bets are off.
10-19-2004 | 12:49 AM
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Originally posted by tschwab
"The factory knows best" I think there is some truth to that.
yuk]
"The factory knows best" I think there is some truth to that.
yuk]
Heck, they even took some badges off the of the Jeeps recently to save pennies.
The factory is in the business of making money, not in making the best truck possible. Don't ever forget that.
Is it illegal?
10-19-2004 | 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by anestech*
Yeah, that why the run $3 shock on these trucks, and have been "decontenting" over the past few years.
Heck, they even took some badges off the of the Jeeps recently to save pennies.
The factory is in the business of making money, not in making the best truck possible. Don't ever forget that.
Yeah, that why the run $3 shock on these trucks, and have been "decontenting" over the past few years.
Heck, they even took some badges off the of the Jeeps recently to save pennies.
The factory is in the business of making money, not in making the best truck possible. Don't ever forget that.
Duh - Of course there in it to make money. Why do you think DCX is in business.
If you equate out the improvements, HP & Torque increases vs a 2ndGen and the modest price increase, you get a lot more truck for the $$ when buying a 3rdGen.
If your so sour on DCX, WHY are you even considering their product?? Yeah, I know, as much as you like to complain about them, you know they still make the best product out there in the light duty truck mkt. And don't YOU ever forget that.
10-19-2004 | 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by tschwab
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? $3.00 shocks? The shocks on my '98 and '05 have been great, my 1 ton rides very smooth.
Duh - Of course there in it to make money. Why do you think DCX is in business.
If you equate out the improvements, HP & Torque increases vs a 2ndGen and the modest price increase, you get a lot more truck for the $$ when buying a 3rdGen.
If your so sour on DCX, WHY are you even considering their product?? Yeah, I know, as much as you like to complain about them, you know they still make the best product out there in the light duty truck mkt. And don't YOU ever forget that.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? $3.00 shocks? The shocks on my '98 and '05 have been great, my 1 ton rides very smooth.
Duh - Of course there in it to make money. Why do you think DCX is in business.
If you equate out the improvements, HP & Torque increases vs a 2ndGen and the modest price increase, you get a lot more truck for the $$ when buying a 3rdGen.
If your so sour on DCX, WHY are you even considering their product?? Yeah, I know, as much as you like to complain about them, you know they still make the best product out there in the light duty truck mkt. And don't YOU ever forget that.
I owned a DC POS for 5 years, and it was nothing but trouble. Thank god I got an extended warranty, because it paid for itself more than twice over.
I am considering the Ram as my primary, almost soley on the Cummins motor, and secondly on the driveline past the tranny.
Chevy offers a supeior interior, Ford offers (especially the '05s) a better build overall truck. And Chevy offers a great tranny. I have driven a moving truck equipped with the allison, and even only with the 6.0, loaded to the gills it did just find in 110* heat up the passes from CA to AZ. I haven't driven an new Ford, or 3rd gen Dodge, for than matter. But I have driven a 7.3 PSD and a 24v 2nd gen CSD, as well as several non Duramax Chevys.
All of the companies have cheapened up lately, except Ford IMO. If Ford had a real engine, they would be the route to go IMO.