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Old 06-20-2007 | 10:28 PM
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I have a 06 2500 4x4 5.9 liter mega cab . It wont start unless i take the fuel filter out and put it back in . but if you let it idle for about 5mins it will die but as long as you are driving it runs fine and sounds fine . Took it to dealer it has 28k still under warranty 4 days later they say they will not cover it . They say it has dirt in tank and they want to put all new fuel system in for 8k . They say they did test and lifter pump is working i know it is getting fuel to the filter for sure. I am going to pick it up and try to fix it my self so any info would be great.
Old 06-20-2007 | 10:32 PM
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Lift pump???
Old 06-20-2007 | 10:38 PM
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Lift pump???
Yepper hit that on the head... My buddies did the same thing!!
Old 06-20-2007 | 10:38 PM
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Thanks i took it to the dealer and they could not find out what was wrong with it so they dropped the fuel tank and said that it had dirt and that i had to replace the whole fuel system for $8,000
Old 06-20-2007 | 10:43 PM
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Thanks i took it to the dealer and they could not find out what was wrong with it so they dropped the fuel tank and said that it had dirt and that i had to replace the whole fuel system for $8,000
Ok so bend over and take it..... WHAT? A new Walbro GDP Big line kit from larry at DTR which is a new fuel system is $425..... Are they nuts??? I'd scream over that.. Did it do anything to the motor?? Just the fuel system right?
Old 06-20-2007 | 10:53 PM
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As far as i know the motor is fine when i took it to them it was running fine . It would just die if i let it idle for a long time .right before it would die the idle would change.and it would not start unles i took the filter out and put it back in .
Old 06-20-2007 | 10:55 PM
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2006 Waranty isue let them spend the $8gs better yet tell em to give you $8gs and you fix it LOL.
Old 06-20-2007 | 10:57 PM
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2006 Waranty isue let them spend the $8gs better yet tell em to give you $8gs and you fix it LOL.
X2!!!!! Shouldn't cost you anything...
Old 06-20-2007 | 11:09 PM
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I tried to get them to cover it but they said that the dirty fuel caused the problem . They showed me the inside of the tank a little bit of dirt not much and none in fuel filter.
Old 06-20-2007 | 11:15 PM
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Is there another dealer close to you?? If you get fuel at the same place everytime and have reciepts you could try getting them to help you. My buddy had his fuel system ruined after getting bad fuel the station paid for everything. He stopped every morning and had the reciepts to prove it. The station ended up fixing 7 trucks no telling how many others were messed up.
Old 06-20-2007 | 11:22 PM
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Ok so bend over and take it..... WHAT? A new Walbro GDP Big line kit from larry at DTR which is a new fuel system is $425..... Are they nuts??? I'd scream over that.. Did it do anything to the motor?? Just the fuel system right?
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Yepper hit that on the head... My buddies did the same thing!!
What would you say caused the lifter pump to go out ? And why would it not start until i pull the fuel filter out and put it back in ?
Old 06-21-2007 | 08:17 AM
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What would you say caused the lifter pump to go out ? And why would it not start until i pull the fuel filter out and put it back in ?
Probably because it was causing a gap in the fuel with air and giving it time to get some priming but once it did and get pressure the pump began failing again.. On my buddies I pulled the fuel filter.. No fuel.. Changed it filled it with powerservice and then tried to start it it slighly fired pulled the filter no fuel. I am with troy do you have reciept's for your fuel??? You need to contact the place where you get fuel.. If the dealer isn't going to help you then order a GDP kit from larry at the DTR store and replace the fuel system yourself... There is enough guys on here that have done it that they can get you through it and the instruction's are pretty straight forward..
Old 06-21-2007 | 08:37 AM
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Call your insurance company. Also tell the dealer that they are not to touch the truck till your insurance adjuster gets there to sample the fuel and see the dirt etc. If you only had a small amount of dirt, sediment in the tank it could have been there from original construction time. Lately a few dealers have used this "Dirty fuel" to cover their butts as they have no idea what is wrong and by replacing everything something is fixed. Your insurance company won't stand for it and will make sure it's fixxed usually. Hopefully you have some fuel receipts for where you usually buy fuel. You also might want to give them a heads up as to what the dealer is telling you and have them contact the dealer also.
Buy thye way, ask the dealer what the filter is for?????Diesel fuel by nature is a dirty fuel.


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Old 06-21-2007 | 09:28 AM
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Did you get the TSB or recall (not sure which it was) done on the fuel tank vent tube? I had my dealer do it the second it came out. It is a sorry fix and you still need to add a little filter to keep the dirt out but at least the vent no longer is laying on the top of the tank indent sucking in water.

If you have fuel receipts you can go after the place where you bought fuel to cover your costs, hopefully if you do not have the receipts you at least used a credit/debit card, works as a receipt also. You can also take a fuel sample and have it checked for contamination. If it is contamination then the test will serve as evidence toward your claim against where you purchased the fuel. There is a little cover on the pickup in the tank, was that plugged up with contaminents? I would have done the fuel sample before I took the truck into the dealership BECAUSE they are using the 'contamination excuse' regarding anything fuel related as a default to you digging into your pocket for the expenses when ultimately it really COULD be a warranty issue. The $8K will inclued the lift pump and filter canister replacement so you will never know if it was just a bad lift pump or a faulty seal in the cannister.

Get your insurance company involved, do not let the dealership proceed with anything until you have the insurance company in the game.

It DOES sound like a bad lift pump or a problem with sealing at the filter. I would get them to test the lift pump, there is a procedure that should tell the whole story. You can bypass the filter housing and see if the truck will run properly, that then puts the filter housing as the culpret.

Going to another dealer may or may not net you results, DC has been recently taking a stance about using the same dealer to resolve problems. Another dealer may tell you they can't do anything BECAUSE you must continue with the original dealership, just a heads-up on the new methods. I would also contact DC directly and point out that the dealer has gone to a R&R fuel system without doing all the other tests first. It may be that the dealership has no clue or is just looking for their EASY way out of a warranty repair expense. Always seems as though the burden is on us doesn't it?

Once you have resolved the problem you really should consider adding the GDP 2-micron filter for any future fuel contaminants and it will also serve to add life to your injectors. The particles between the recommended manufacturer 7-micron filter and the 2- micron filtration ARE the ones that will damage you injectors.

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Old 06-21-2007 | 02:00 PM
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Ditto donhov's comments. Chased my fuel system issues around through 8 injectors, a turbo, and a new engine. Good tech finally checked the tank - and DC promptly denied warranty covereage. Called State Farm, they took the dealer's numbers and paid $8K to replace everything from the tank to the injectors, AND paid for my cost on any related previous repairs. I got to give a deposition, and SF is now engaged with the first dealership's lawyers.
Comprerhensive coverage should take care of this.


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