www.lubecontrol.com

Nothing will help with moisture, but this ^^ helps with oxidation.

 

And, here in lies the problem...The Diesel Fuel in the US is terrible for lubricity due to low sulfur content. And with the new fuel it's probably get worse. I cannot post the work order from my truck 1) I don't have a scanner 2) I sold the truck.

If you're that hung up on truth contact DC and do a Freedom of Information Act request on all Dodge Ram Trucks Diesels with Fuel Injector related failures...Now that would be interesting...

Cummins removed the FAQ page from it's site, don't know why or when it happened...

 

None that I would trust not to create a mixture that is even worse than the small amounnts of water in the oil. Most of the compounds that will bond to water may also combine with other ingedients in the crank case and create a mess. Best bet is use good oil, change it frequently, and try to get the engine good and warm as often as possible.

Rossn2, not disputing anything your conclusions or the fact the dealer would reccomend an additive, but, the dealer is not DC or Cummins. Neither have ever reccomended fuel additives, a fact I find very disturbing. They KNOW the fuel is not up to standard. I already know the answer to the fuel system failures, TOO MANY. My truck is on its 2nd CP3 at 30k, AFTER using 90% premium diesel, and AFTER using additives every tank since new. The good news is I don't have injector problems, the bad is the CP3 is still in danger of damage.

The fact remains the HPCR systems were developed to use a better quality fuel than we currently have, such as Euro diesel. Period. Bosch built the fuel systems for their market and Cummins sourced it from Bosch.

 

The only recommended fuel additive from Cummins is their own brand of Vavoline fuel additive with the Cummins logo on it. They state only if fuel quality problems and or water is suspect.

 

The Cummins website FAQ says that additives are unecessary, unless you need some anti-gel additive, but they do not name any brands. http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/p...530004AC33EA57
Mike
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True! They do mention Premium Blue dino and synthetic for oil!!
Mike

 

The best thing for diesels is to run 'em hard! Don't baby them like gassers, it does no good. They need hard work to keep the injectors from coking up from lack of heat.
Mike
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Fleetguard has an additive similar to Stanadyne; ups the cetane, lowers the gel point, increases lubricity. I've said this dozens of times, and will keep doing so until I hear different, but Stanadyne is the only fuel additive with not just one, but multiple OEM endorsements. I've heard that they make the Ford additive.

I like using the pint bottles of Stanadyne as I mark them at 1/3 increments, and try to fill up at the 1/4 tank level, and use 1/3 pint bottle at fill up as it's usually around 20 gal.

 

This is just like a Laurel and Hardy comic act. Idle is bad, yet Highway haulers and the industrial version (Freightliner) of the same version engine idle for hours, overnight with little or no issue. DC is grasping at straws to justify their own screwup with poor or no quality control so they can blame the issue on the owner. I think they should start owning up to the issues. They have a little more $$ than the average CTD owner. Its stuff like this that makes me want to buy a UNIMOG.

I have an obvious miss as diagnosed by a Freightliner mechanic and CTD Enthusiast (races them) took the truck over to DC dealer, verbally they say they did an injector kill test yet the tech comments on the work order only indicate that they road tested the vehicle. Next time I take it in I will take the tech for a ride and if I have to I will strap him to the hood until he can diagnose the problem.

 

I bet the tech whom did the test didnt't even know how to perform one.

 

Last summer I took my 04 into the dealer twice because of the injector knock. Twice they diagnosed it as a fouled injector. I even had the tech ride around the parking lot with me. He basically said yes, I hear it, I've heard it a lot on different trucks. Just work it harder, drive it like you stole it. Then I asked him about additives. He claimed they were bad for it because they accumulate instead of mixing in, eventually becoming really concentrated. Then he told me about there own additive which was ~$35 a quart, which I passed on. Finally I took it back, again fouled injector, and offered to run an injector cleaner service on it for $275. I asked them if they would do that under warranty, he said no. I said if it needs it, the service should be done under warranty, if it does not need it, leave it alone and I will come and get it. In the end, they did it for free, didn't even write up a ticket for it, and it did fix the knock. That was seven months ago, and I've run ps/mmo ever since and it sounds great. I am getting ready to make homebrew bio and run it through it.

 

Gunpowder, What is ps/mmo? I have also heard that some guys are running ATF every few tanks of fuel and was also told by the Freightliner dealer that I should try a couple of doses of 2 cycle oil. He said to use the cheep stuff not synthetic and this should clean the injectors.

As far as the drive it like you stole it comment, I don't agree because I run mine down the hiway between 2100 and 2400 RPM and still have the injector issue. Does anyone know how much it would cost for a new set of injectors for an 04.

 

I have been running powerservice since new. I am just under 47,000 now and no problems. My mpg is slightly better with powerservice and the truck seems to run quieter.

 

Ok, if Cummins recomends to use the Stanadyne brand of injector cleaner why is Cummins indorsing the Valvoline injector cleaner?

http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=97

And this oil also for that matter....

http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...sp?product=113



-Troy

 

Local Cummins shops may recommend another product. But those two listed above are the only Cummins certified with their Logo.

There is a difference between a Cummins repair shop and a Cummins authorized dealer.