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Old 03-23-2007 | 06:21 AM
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Never mind the cost of Bio. Where can I find some here in South East Massachusetts? Found a place in Rhode Island, over a hour from my house, not worth the drive.
www.Nearbio.com
The guy i get mine from (American Bio Diesel) gets his oil from over 250 local restraunts. He makes it on site and he runs B100 in his 2006 Cummins 3500 DRW no problems.
I checked my FF last weekend and it still was as white as the day i put it in. Even though the Bio has a brown tint to it and the new ULSD is green.
Old 03-23-2007 | 06:25 AM
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I hate to bring this up, because I support the use of biodiesel. I understand Cummins supports the use of B20, but has DC also revised it's position and announced it publicly? Currently the Dodge w/Cummins owners manual says no greater then B5. I'd hate to have to fight that one with a Service Manager if it ever came to it. I keep reading on here that DC buys these motors without a warranty, so it is up to them what the warranty is and how it is managed.
Old 03-23-2007 | 07:16 AM
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Try this link:

http://www.everytime.cummins.com/eve.../release99.jsp

If you live near Austin, there are 30 stations listed on the Biodiesel site. B5 to B100. There is B20 in Cedar Park. You can get Biowilly at Carls Corner (or use to, they are rebuilding. It's near the I-35E and I-35W split.

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Old 03-23-2007 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Crabjoe
You shouldn't even consider "Being closer to home." ...

I hope you get what I'm trying to say here....
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Originally Posted by nelrod
No conspiracy from "big oil" it's called supply and demand.
Yeah, yeah, I get what you're saying & its all true- I'm a capitalist too you know. It's just that I've talked to my local Bio-D refiner and he's just a poor slob like me trying to make an honest buck, using locally grown crops to make his brew. Somehow it makes me feel better to spend my money down at his place (as long as his prices aren't too much out of line, which sometimes they are). Go figure.

The value of something is determined by what people will pay for it. How much should you pay for Bio-D? Everybody has to answer that question for themselves. I was just trying to bring to light an issue that some may not have considered in their Bio-D purchase. It's not just about price per gallon, but also: What is the price of dependency on foreign oil? What is the price of burning non-carbon-neutral (fossil ) fuels in our trucks (flame suit on)? Do my injectors really like Bio-D vs. ULSD? Can I live with slightly reduced fuel economy? Is it worth driving 5 miles out of my way to purchase it?... Lots of things to consider, to each their own.
Old 03-23-2007 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by djbikeman
I hate to bring this up, because I support the use of biodiesel. I understand Cummins supports the use of B20, but has DC also revised it's position and announced it publicly? Currently the Dodge w/Cummins owners manual says no greater then B5. I'd hate to have to fight that one with a Service Manager if it ever came to it. I keep reading on here that DC buys these motors without a warranty, so it is up to them what the warranty is and how it is managed.
I tend to share the same concerns as you. Noting my local dealer's statements regarding possible denials of warrantee work due to using non-Mopar parts, such as Fleetguard filters. His statements indicate that DC does not recoginize Cummins and/or Fleetguard PN's as OEM approved.
Old 03-23-2007 | 11:48 AM
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His statements indicate that DC does not recoginize Cummins and/or Fleetguard PN's as OEM approved.
Um...he needs to review his TSBs!

http://dodgeram.info/tsb/2001/09-004-01.htm
Old 03-23-2007 | 11:51 AM
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Dodge has approved B20 for Fleet, Military, and Government vehicles.

http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/prog...TS_NEW/549/1/0

DaimlerChrysler Approves the Use of B20 in Dodge Ram Pickups

Posted: 01/24/2006

DaimlerChrysler recently announced its approval of the use of B20, a blend of 20 percent biodiesel and 80 percent regular diesel fuel, in its 2007 model year Dodge Ram pickup trucks that are equipped with Cummins diesel engines. The approval covers all government, military, and commercial fleet customers and marks the first time a U.S. automaker specifically approves the use of B20 in a warranty position statement.

The National Biodiesel Board welcomed DaimlerChrysler’s approval of B20 and is working with them and others to develop a consistent, universally applied American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) quality standard specifically for B20.
Old 03-23-2007 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Crabjoe
If a home brewer can make Bio-D at 70 cents/gal, a refiner of Bio-D should be able to do it for less.

Let's say a refiner makes it for 70 cents/gal and they sell at 100% profit for a total of $1.40/gal. Then add 50 cents taxes and 10 cents for the retailers profit. You're talking B100 then selling for $2/gal.
That $0.70 per gallon is achieved by using FREE waste veggie oil. Refiners have to buy their veggie oil, driving that final price at the pump up significantly.

I have to say, I'm with jwooden on this one. For several reasons economically, politically, and environmentally motivated, I'd much rather run bio than #2.
Old 03-23-2007 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by scottsjeeprolet
www.Nearbio.com
The guy i get mine from (American Bio Diesel) gets his oil from over 250 local restraunts. He makes it on site and he runs B100 in his 2006 Cummins 3500 DRW no problems.
I checked my FF last weekend and it still was as white as the day i put it in. Even though the Bio has a brown tint to it and the new ULSD is green.
Pathetic, I'm in Kalifornia near SF and the closest B20 is 71 miles away.
Old 03-25-2007 | 03:40 PM
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well this sucks, there is only one place in Phoenix AZ that sells Bio and its B99. Not sure I am willing to jump in that deep with out trying some lower blends first.
Old 03-25-2007 | 06:10 PM
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well this sucks, there is only one place in Phoenix AZ that sells Bio and its B99. Not sure I am willing to jump in that deep with out trying some lower blends first.
Well when your tank is down to 3/4 fill it up with the B99. you'll love the exhaust smell.
Old 03-25-2007 | 09:54 PM
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Can you do this? Just fill up with 1/4 of a tank and all is good? There is a place here in SA that sells b99 I might just try it out...
Old 03-26-2007 | 03:36 AM
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One other interesting point on this thread is that the only reason bio is somewhat competitively priced is because of farm subsidies. Pull those away and the real cost to the consumer (although it's really already there in the form of income taxes to fund the subsidies) goes up .

Saying that, I would still be willing to pay more for it in a blended diesel.
Old 03-29-2007 | 11:14 AM
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Did you see some of the new bio refiners they are building in some of the last issues of diesel power mag? I think in AL they are building a really big one, once they go online it will be interesting to see what happens with the price.
Old 03-29-2007 | 12:40 PM
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ONE of the reasons bio costs more is the current transportation costs involved in shipping the raw product (be it soy beans or what ever) to wherever the plants are. Yes, there are lots of new refineries being planned and built right now, and that should help some with the costs, but its going to take some time before there are refineries interspersed across rural USA.
For those that are complaining that there isnt anyone selling it close to you: Thats one of the very reasons I'm willing to pay more for it. People will not build a supply chain if there is no demand. The more the demand, the more suppliers there needs to be, and the more suppliers, the greater the completition, and price will go down. Now most spoiled Americans (and I am one of them) arent willing to invest in the future, 'cause we want what we want NOW, not later, and right now, most want the cheapest fuel they cnat get their hands on.
I also purchase bio because I want to invest in cleaner burning fuels, I want to send my money towards US based companies (YES, I care), and I also know that only the consumers will drive new technologies. We cant wait for Detroit to do it all - especially given the financial state of most auto companies. Its all my own choices...............


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