16000lb pullable with the stock tranny?
03-01-2008, 06:11 PM
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16000lb pullable with the stock tranny?
In a stock 06 2500 HD quad cad 8ft bed or a 06 mega cab 6ft bed can i pull a 16000lb fithwheel camper up in the rocky mountains with the stock 4 speed?
And will this hurt the tranny over a period of time because i would like to pull a 16000lb camper and pull it cross country...
If this will hurt the tranny is there any modifications i can do to save the tranny?
And will this hurt the tranny over a period of time because i would like to pull a 16000lb camper and pull it cross country...
If this will hurt the tranny is there any modifications i can do to save the tranny?
03-01-2008, 06:52 PM
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I think you will be fine on stock motor, use 3rd going up big hills keep it locked up and I dont see a problem with it. When you take off from a start dont be in a hury just let it roll up to speed. If you use a power adder it wont take long till it slips the converter. I am sure it will make the trans wear out faster you are useing it harder, but I dont think its a issue that will happen fast.
A good converter and maybe a valve body with a few little internal mods would help alot, specially in town.
Go hear and rear and heavy and standard duty, will give yah some ideas.
http://www.goerend.com/
A good converter and maybe a valve body with a few little internal mods would help alot, specially in town.
Go hear and rear and heavy and standard duty, will give yah some ideas.
http://www.goerend.com/
03-01-2008, 07:34 PM
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You should be fine. I have a stock tranny in my truck, with an unknown program and I pull upto 25K quite often on 35" tires. Like mark said, take it easy on the takeoffs. Dont get in a hurry, if your in a hurry drop the trailer or you will drop the tranny.
03-01-2008, 11:22 PM
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As long as you have a stock truck and 4.10 gear you should be O.K. My question to you is what is your pin weight going to be? Or better yet your rear axle weight with that pig. I can just about garantee you will be over 6500lbs on the rear axle and if that is the case your problem will be tires. Most E rated tires can support 3250 lbs in the single configuration. So that is a max of 6500 lbs on the rear axle. Plus with a 2500 you will need air bags or timbrens because it is going to squat bigtime. I would also recommend an exhaust brake because in the mountains stopping is going to be fun. My suggetion if running without an exhaust brake is keep your speed down around 45 MPH or 50 MPH. Good luck. That is a 3500 dually load in my book hands down.
03-02-2008, 08:27 AM
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A 16k 5thwheel will have about 4000lbs pin weight, megacabs have around 3500lbs on the rear axle empty, puts you at 7500lbs on the rear axle, you need a DRW 3500 to be safe. 7500lbs on the axle is way over what the tires are rated for and without airbags or something you will be sitting on the bump stops. If you happen to be in an area that polices vehicle weights you will be over on every single rating that truck has, which will mean a large fine, and if you happen to be visiting Canada they will not let you continue with your trailer in tow.
AS for the tranny it will probably be fine but would tow much better with a better torque converter. You lose a lot of power when the converter is unlocked and if you pull up mountains like I do the converter will spend some time unlocked in 1st and 2nd gears. FWIW I pull a 10k 5thwheel with my mega and I wouldnt go much heavier before I stepped up to a DRW. My truck pulls and handles fine with what I have but starts to really lose some handling when I load it up heavier. I had 4000lbs in it before and it drove like an old caddy and would have been sitting on the bump stops if I didnt have timbrens installed.
AS for the tranny it will probably be fine but would tow much better with a better torque converter. You lose a lot of power when the converter is unlocked and if you pull up mountains like I do the converter will spend some time unlocked in 1st and 2nd gears. FWIW I pull a 10k 5thwheel with my mega and I wouldnt go much heavier before I stepped up to a DRW. My truck pulls and handles fine with what I have but starts to really lose some handling when I load it up heavier. I had 4000lbs in it before and it drove like an old caddy and would have been sitting on the bump stops if I didnt have timbrens installed.
03-02-2008, 08:38 AM
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Our 05 2500 auto at work is the workhorse of the company. It pulls a 26ft GN daily and is frequently overloaded. We had to install airbags to keep the bumper off the ground and have the bags set at 60 psi
. The mose we hauled on it was a New Holland TN-70 (9000 lbs) with a loader and a S-220 skid loader (8500 lbs) that sat on the front of the trailer basically sitting all the weight on the truck.
Truck has 45K on it and the trans has been perfect, just take it easy from a start and she will be fine, you will know when the converter is unlocked cause she'll have no power, try to avoid this if possible to keep heat down.
We also have a D-max 5500 that no one wants to drive because it rides so rough and the power is, well, very pathetic to say the least.
If it tells you anthing the D-max has 18K on it and the Dodge has 45K, you can see which one gets used more. Also, the Dodge is used for plowing in the winter too, toughest truck we have had to date.
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. The mose we hauled on it was a New Holland TN-70 (9000 lbs) with a loader and a S-220 skid loader (8500 lbs) that sat on the front of the trailer basically sitting all the weight on the truck.Truck has 45K on it and the trans has been perfect, just take it easy from a start and she will be fine, you will know when the converter is unlocked cause she'll have no power, try to avoid this if possible to keep heat down.
We also have a D-max 5500 that no one wants to drive because it rides so rough and the power is, well, very pathetic to say the least.
If it tells you anthing the D-max has 18K on it and the Dodge has 45K, you can see which one gets used more. Also, the Dodge is used for plowing in the winter too, toughest truck we have had to date.-Seeder
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03-02-2008, 11:46 AM
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16k on the 2500
I seriously doubt you will put that much cargo in the 5er. We fulltime in ours and dry is 13k, fully loaded 15.5k
That said . . you are gonna be overweight on the 2500. It will definately tow it, but for safety, the law, and longevity of your 2500, I would not do it.
It's gonna be a bitc* to stop and control in the Rockies.
We had the 2500/stock auto and moved up to mod. auto and 3500.
That said . . you are gonna be overweight on the 2500. It will definately tow it, but for safety, the law, and longevity of your 2500, I would not do it.
It's gonna be a bitc* to stop and control in the Rockies.
We had the 2500/stock auto and moved up to mod. auto and 3500.
03-02-2008, 11:53 AM
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All Day long... WEll tell the tranny wears out.. But I tow my fifth wheel and it's 16k and my work trailer is 11k so you can do it but a 3500 would be a little safer... The tranny will hold as long as your smart... I'd get a tranny guage I got my stock tranny smoking hot pulling my fiver!!!!
03-02-2008, 02:13 PM
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Between what you are talking about in weights and where you plan on pulling, I would agree with most you would be way better off with a Dually. Yes, your truck can pull that weight. However, very dangerous to be in the Rockies overloaded on your rear axle and rear tire ratings.
03-02-2008, 09:07 PM
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I agree with the legal issues. Had a neighbor total his 5th wheel and truck after a roll over. During their investigation of the accident they did look at the weights to see if he was over his axle weight and total GVWR (luckily he was not). I would imagine insurance would not have covered him if the highway patrol found he was either over his axle weight/total GVWR.