24 Valve Engine and Drivetrain Discuss the 24 Valve engine and drivetrain here. No non-drivetrain discussions please. NO HIGH PERFORMANCE DISCUSSION!

2001 24v White smoke

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-22-2006 | 08:37 PM
  #1  
y22man's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 169
Likes: 0
From: Utah
2001 24v White smoke

Hello All,

My brother has a 100% stock 24v 5 speed. He has a recurring problem. His truck will pour white exhaust from 1500 - 1900 RPM. It does it with the engine temp cold or fully warmed up. It will do it sitting still and reving the engine or under load while moving. Outside temp above 60 degrees. I know that this usually fuel burning in the exhaust pipe. But I am not sure what is up with his truck.

Is it a stuck injector?

Thanks guys,
Old 02-22-2006 | 09:29 PM
  #2  
AAmeeting's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 504
Likes: 0
From: INDIANA
I think that is a sign of injection pump failure. If it happens when it is hot and at a specific rpm. Tell him to save up.
Old 02-22-2006 | 09:49 PM
  #3  
phox_mulder's Avatar
Administrator
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 6,522
Likes: 1
From: Sandy, Utah
That sounds like a timing problem in the VP44.

It should show up as a code if he has it scanned.

If it was an injector leaking, I would think it would show up at any RPM.


phox
Old 02-22-2006 | 10:04 PM
  #4  
y22man's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 169
Likes: 0
From: Utah
ok, thanks, I told him to check the codes already. He said there was no codes. I can't vouch for him tho. I will research how to adjust the timing. New VP is like 2K right? Would be going to a P pump cost that much. I guess I will go look at Piers.

If anyone has any other suggestions let me know.
Old 02-22-2006 | 10:06 PM
  #5  
graphitecumnz's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,385
Likes: 0
From: Wichita, Kansas
new VP is about $1000.
Old 02-22-2006 | 10:28 PM
  #6  
AAmeeting's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 504
Likes: 0
From: INDIANA
Unfortunately you cant udjust the timing. Thats the internal problem. Its all electrical. P pump conversion is awsome but could be costly compared to just getting a new VP.
Old 02-23-2006 | 12:24 AM
  #7  
y22man's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 169
Likes: 0
From: Utah
ok, I pulled the codes. 1693 and 500. I guess he went on a trip to Montana, and after going through contruction at a slow pace the truck had no power. He could only get up to about 45 MPH.
He got power by stoping at a auto store and bought a new air filter. Then for the first 30 minutes after words it had no power and blowing white smoke. Then the power came back for the rest of his trip. This was pulling a 27' 5er from Utah.

Also when he sees the white smoke the worst is when he idles for 30 minutes and then drives normally.

He is at 96K so I guess he will need to take it into the dealer and see what they say.
Old 02-23-2006 | 05:34 PM
  #8  
yarddog's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 378
Likes: 0
From: Denver, CO
When I got the p0216 it didn't show up on the odo. I only had 1693. Put a scanner on it and bam there it was.

I'm 100% sure from the symptoms it's the VP.
Old 02-23-2006 | 08:11 PM
  #9  
micah's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 160
Likes: 0
From: Austin, TX
just my thoughts, please take them with a grain of salt. from the symptoms (started acting up after possibly taking in some dirt/debris, white smoke at higher rpms, no power...) is it possibly the turbo? won't oil from the turbo blowing into the intake cause white smoke? and isn't that rpm range (15-1900) about the time the turbo starts to spool up?

like i said, just brainstorming here.
Old 02-24-2006 | 09:47 AM
  #10  
HOHN's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 6,564
Likes: 6
From: Cummins Technical Center, IN
Oil burning will make a bluish smoke, not white.

White smoke is fuel. Bad fuel. From a bad VP44.

Swap the pump, fix the problem-- it's that simple (and disappointing).
Old 02-24-2006 | 09:12 PM
  #11  
Florida Bums's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Transfer pump

OK guys bear with me. Have an 01 Dodge with Cummins engine. When the truck was 6 months old had transfer pump replaced. Had the pump checked again, ideling is ok but under load it drops pressure. But the drop in pressure is within Dodge's specs. Now knowing that white smoke is the sign of a complete failure. Do I wait for it to go out or should I replace it now saveing the price of a new pump? My warranty on the engine is up around 1 Mar. One final question. Does a chip that I have on the engine have anything to do with the pump loseing pressure?
Old 02-24-2006 | 10:16 PM
  #12  
Clunk's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 1,766
Likes: 1
From: Tenn.
Thumbs up

Welcome to the site Florida Bums,
I believe I'd remove any chips first then complain the white smoke to the dealer before your warranty runs out. The computer needs to be scanned but you can turn the keyswitch (don't start the motor) on-off-on-off-on then look at your odometer for a PO code. Write it down and we can discuss it.
Old 02-25-2006 | 01:52 AM
  #13  
y22man's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 169
Likes: 0
From: Utah
Thanks for all the replys. He bought used. Looks like the 5 years ran out 4 months ago. So he is stuck with footing the bill.
Old 02-25-2006 | 03:21 AM
  #14  
micah's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 160
Likes: 0
From: Austin, TX
Originally Posted by HOHN
Oil burning will make a bluish smoke, not white.

White smoke is fuel. Bad fuel. From a bad VP44.

Swap the pump, fix the problem-- it's that simple (and disappointing).
HOHN, thanks... I'm curious though, what do you mean by "bad fuel" ... not enough of it for example? or simply from a bad source?

the reason I ask is my LP has gone out (intermittently just won't run) and I noticed today that if I shut it down when the LP is in this won't run state (meaning about 6-7psi at idle)... the next time I start it, rather than the usual black poof, I get a small white one. does that make sense?
Old 02-25-2006 | 07:59 AM
  #15  
halfbakediesel's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
From: Washington
make sure you change the lift pump.
probly the reason injection pump went out



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:33 AM.