Unusual Truck w/ a Unusual Problem
#16
A lot of 1st gen Cummins owners replace their OEM fuel pumps with these higher PSI versions. Takes some modification to the insulation on the engine, but seems to be worth it.
https://www.thehungrydiesel.com/product.sc?productId=15
Is there a sock on the fuel pickup in the tank? if so it may be plugged with gunk and need cleaned .... another thing you can do is pressurize the tank with about 8 to 10 lbs of air into the filler neck and look for leaks along your hoses, then disconnect the hose from your lift pump and see if it has good flow with it pressurized
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edwinsmith (08-25-2020)
#17
Just NO, NO and NO... that lift pump will blow the front seal out of your IP and fill your pan with diesel.. ask Edwin. They make a HVLP pump for our rigs that is the same type as that but it only puts out about 15 psi which the seal will handle.
https://www.thehungrydiesel.com/product.sc?productId=15
Is there a sock on the fuel pickup in the tank? if so it may be plugged with gunk and need cleaned .... another thing you can do is pressurize the tank with about 8 to 10 lbs of air into the filler neck and look for leaks along your hoses, then disconnect the hose from your lift pump and see if it has good flow with it pressurized
https://www.thehungrydiesel.com/product.sc?productId=15
Is there a sock on the fuel pickup in the tank? if so it may be plugged with gunk and need cleaned .... another thing you can do is pressurize the tank with about 8 to 10 lbs of air into the filler neck and look for leaks along your hoses, then disconnect the hose from your lift pump and see if it has good flow with it pressurized
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Currently that's not what I'm experiencing. Acceleration is only effected when I'm in 3rd or 4th and I floor it. Not exactly sure what that means but that's where I see the most lag in any potential fuel issues.
#20
The first three gears on those are not really getting into your fuel supply per say as you are out of them pretty fast, but by the time you hit 4th or 5th gear you are staying in it longer and using alot more fuel. If possible hook a gauge to your fuel supply line (I like to use the bleeder port) and you will see if you are running out of fuel. Just a thought.
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edwinsmith (08-26-2020)
#22
Any pressure gauge will do (I have used an old boost gauge) as it will just be a temp but the lower the numbers the better (0 to 30 works good) if it's a temp just make sure you have enough line to reach to a point you can see it while driving.. wiper arm, mirror bracket or route to the inside. Factory pressure I believe is around 7 psi at idle and if you are turned up at all it will go down to 0 or almost 0 when yo mash it., should have at least 4 lbs when cruising.
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#24
Here's another idea you could try at the same time...If it happens again, immediately loosen the fuel tank cap and listen for a "whoosh" of incoming air...I know it seems like I'm obsessing over the cap, but I had a very similar problem with an old '66 Chevelle years ago, and an unvented cap was the problem...Your former gasser is the same vintage, and in my case after I fixed the cap (with a drill bit) the problem went away, but I lost five gallons of capacity in the tank because the suction was that strong......Ben
But all of this to say it's not a venting issue, and most likely is not an electrical issue and so I'm hoping he takes apart the injector pump and finds that there was some kind of issue with how the new fuel pin and governor spring were installed because it was ONLY after these were installed did the fuel dying issue begin.
Off to drink something (anything really) right now.
#25
Any pressure gauge will do (I have used an old boost gauge) as it will just be a temp but the lower the numbers the better (0 to 30 works good) if it's a temp just make sure you have enough line to reach to a point you can see it while driving.. wiper arm, mirror bracket or route to the inside. Factory pressure I believe is around 7 psi at idle and if you are turned up at all it will go down to 0 or almost 0 when yo mash it., should have at least 4 lbs when cruising.
After I tested air leaks (none), made sure the fuel pressure was normal, flushed the tank, cleaned the sending unit and replaced a section of fuel line that looks cracked and old, the truck still continued to fail.
Going back to the fuel solenoid system, I removed the valve, deactivating the solenoid and replaced it with a manual shut off cable. Truck hasn't failed since.
It also idles correctly, accelerates much more smoothly, and a previous issue with fluctuating voltage during startups is gone as well.
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nothingbutdarts (10-08-2020)
#27
Yeah, that's pretty much why I wanted to com back to the forum with the fix. Especially since this has been an issue with my truck for the past three years.
Here's the locking and you have to be careful with how the manual shut off valve is indexed and won't work if you happen to engage it when it's turned all the way to the right hand side.
Just one of several rookie mistakes I've made trying to resolve this.
Here's the locking and you have to be careful with how the manual shut off valve is indexed and won't work if you happen to engage it when it's turned all the way to the right hand side.
Just one of several rookie mistakes I've made trying to resolve this.
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nothingbutdarts (10-08-2020)
#29
After thought for educational purposes.
When I am dealing with fuel delivery issues on whatever, the first thing is install a pressure gauge, usually temporarily just laying on the dash, or on my lap in the boat.
This would have eliminated all concern for everything before the IP, as full pressure would have been indicated when the failure occurred.
Technically, I'm an engineer. My main troubleshooting tool is binary reduction. Briefly explained, you endeavor to split your field of possible faults in the middle, devising a test to establish which group fails. Then the same thing for the failing side. Theoretically a problem with 256 possible faults can be solved in 8 tests or less.
When I am dealing with fuel delivery issues on whatever, the first thing is install a pressure gauge, usually temporarily just laying on the dash, or on my lap in the boat.
This would have eliminated all concern for everything before the IP, as full pressure would have been indicated when the failure occurred.
Technically, I'm an engineer. My main troubleshooting tool is binary reduction. Briefly explained, you endeavor to split your field of possible faults in the middle, devising a test to establish which group fails. Then the same thing for the failing side. Theoretically a problem with 256 possible faults can be solved in 8 tests or less.
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