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Old 03-01-2010, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Power Ram 250 C
Jack your front end up and turn wheels and have someone watch all the pivot points. Also check your front u-joints on your axle. One of mine rusted and seized so bad (no idea how since they are always moving) that when I would drive down the road it caused my truck to jerk either direction just enough to throw you in the other lane.
How can you tell when the front u joints are bad?
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Cruise control working?
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If you pop the smaller hose off the booster that heads to the canister on the fender well, you should hear the suction sound from the vacum pump while she's ideling.
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Originally Posted by archer39
How can you tell when the front u joints are bad?
If they are greasable, grease them. If they aren't, look closely at them and look for loose rust from the needle bearings going out. Only way I can think of is raise front of truck up and crank wheels either direction and turn the u joints with your hands with unlocked hubs and transfer case. Feel for hard spots.
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Originally Posted by archer39
Yes
how old is it? is there a chance the telescoping shaft is seized? Because my steering does the same thing and it's because my borgeson shaft is seized so when the chassis flexes or when the steering/suspension corks over the bordeson shaft pushes on the steering column causing it to catch. I went through this about a month ago. I tore everything apart including my steering column trying to figure out what the problem was. It ended up that that was the problem.

I can explain it further if you'd like. For me though, when the steering would bind, it would want to make the shifter go with the rest of it when it would bind real bad. Most of the time it wasn't that bad though.
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Originally Posted by torquefan
X2. The first thing that came to my mind was a seized axle u-joint. The second thing that came to mind was a seized outer tie rod end. It's rare, but I saw it once on a W350.
both tie rod ends were replaced over the summer and should be good yet.
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Cruise control working?
no but it never did but the horn works. i don't think it is the clock spring if that is what your getting at. I had that happen before and i hear no scraping like before.

Originally Posted by Rick 12v CTD
how old is it? is there a chance the telescoping shaft is seized? Because my steering does the same thing and it's because my borgeson shaft is seized so when the chassis flexes or when the steering/suspension corks over the bordeson shaft pushes on the steering column causing it to catch. I went through this about a month ago. I tore everything apart including my steering column trying to figure out what the problem was. It ended up that that was the problem.

I can explain it further if you'd like. For me though, when the steering would bind, it would want to make the shifter go with the rest of it when it would bind real bad. Most of the time it wasn't that bad though.
interesting, could you feel it binding when you took the shaft off and moved it by hand? Did you end up buying a new shaft?
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Thought you might have lost vacum.
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Originally Posted by archer39
The yesterday when turning to the left my steering bound up. It happened only when turning left. I had my hubs locked in and thought that might of had something to do with it so i unlocked them but it still happened. The power steering fluid was just above the add mark when i checked it so i added some. It seemed to only happen when making slow turns for example i was slowing down to make a left at a traffic light and going in and out of my driveway. any ideas on what could cause this?

Could this at all be related to a low vacuum issue? I am still having issues with my brakes and am going to get a gauge tomorrow to check to see if i have adequate vacuum.
Mine did the exact same thing except it was to the right. You'll need a new steering box. You'll find it will act up worse in the colder temps and it only happens once or twice on initial start. It will be fine for the rest of the day until you let it sit a length of time. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but it will need a new box or complete rebuild and the diesels use a different box than the gas units.
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what does the vacuum do for steering?

Adjusting steering boxes can result in issues. They can get sensitive, and lock up sometimes. I had some issues like that with my Mercedes. I adjusted it back and just lived with the sloppiness.
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I have had this same problem since last summer. I thought it was the axle u-joints but that wasn't it. It first was non assisted while turning right. Then one day it flip flopped over to turning left. What it turn out to be is steering box failure. The second way to test this is to check for a rapid rise in temperature of the power steering fluid after turning it in the direction of the failure. So now I'm looking forward to again replacing the steering box. I never had this problem with any of the GM truck I have owned over the years which by the way shares the earlier version that Dodge dropped in favor of this failure prone version. I want to retrofit that earlier design back onto my truck to eliminate this engineering screw up that we are all plagued with. The earlier design has the pitman arm located facing the tire and doesn't use that screwy looking steering link that we have to use. Just another Dodge engineering screw up to add to the list of many...
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Question Saginaw steering gear

Originally Posted by Trebor
So now I'm looking forward to again replacing the steering box. I never had this problem with any of the GM truck I have owned over the years which by the way shares the earlier version that Dodge dropped in favor of this failure prone version. I want to retrofit that earlier design back onto my truck to eliminate this engineering screw up that we are all plagued with. The earlier design has the pitman arm located facing the tire and doesn't use that screwy looking steering link that we have to use. Just another Dodge engineering screw up to add to the list of many...
But isn't the box made by Saginaw and not by Dodge? Is it really inferior?
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But isn't the box made by Saginaw and not by Dodge? Is it really inferior?
Yes they are both made by the same company. The earlier design has been proven to out performed the later design we have to use. This design was also used by all of the big three automakers of the earlier era. This ill fated selection is due to Chrysler-Dodge's engineering specifications. Slightly larger versions having longer length pitman arms and shafts of the old style box can be found on medium duty GMC truck in the 20,000 GVW ratings.
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Jack it up, turn the wheel all the way (either way). Then rotate the tires. If the axle joint is siezed up it will want to straighten the wheel. or it will bind up.
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Originally Posted by archer39
no but it never did but the horn works. i don't think it is the clock spring if that is what your getting at. I had that happen before and i hear no scraping like before.



interesting, could you feel it binding when you took the shaft off and moved it by hand? Did you end up buying a new shaft?
no, when I took the bordeson shaft off it was fine.
It's kind of hard to explain but because the borgeson shaft doesn't telescope like it's supposed to it puts pressure on the splined shaft in the column (I have the 2 ujoint shaft, but for you it will be the rag joint) which pushes against the outer part of the column that works with the shifter. In any case, the whole thing sorta binds up and makes your steering real hard to turn. It does it both ways. Like it will bind up if the chassis flexes such that the borgeson shaft is pulling on the column as well as if it was pushing on it, if that makes sense.

My truck still does it but I tinkered with the borgeson shaft such that it only does it rarely. What I need to do is separate the 2 pieces (if I even can ), clean it up and grease the crap out of it with automotive grease so it won't rust again.


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