1st Gen. Ram - All Topics Discussion for all Dodge Rams prior to 1994. This includes engine, drivetrain and non-drivetrain discussions. Anything prior to 1994 should go in here.

speedometer info

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-11-2009 | 10:42 PM
  #16  
wannadiesel's Avatar
Adminstrator-ess
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 22,594
Likes: 17
From: New Holland, PA
Jimbo, you are going to have to use the ABS speed sensor in the diff which is a different animal from the VSS. Still generates a low voltage signal though.

I think that box is about the only way I've seen to do that. I bet it'll work.
Old 07-11-2009 | 10:43 PM
  #17  
jimbo486's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,389
Likes: 114
From: Orange County, California
i do too. just lazy feeling right now and figured i could get a faster answer from the gurus here . i wasn't trying to argue with you about it for sure. guess i should've stated that it had a getrag in the beginning. i'd appreciate any info about it if you so happen to find a pulse spec
Old 07-11-2009 | 10:45 PM
  #18  
wannadiesel's Avatar
Adminstrator-ess
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 22,594
Likes: 17
From: New Holland, PA
Originally Posted by jimbo486
dave, if you say it probably uses a low voltage, this pick up obviously will be generating voltage. i'm wondering if the adjustment on the signal interface box is adjusting the voltage so that it puts out the right amount until it's calibrated. sound possible to you?
The box will be changing the pulse rate, not the voltage. I doubt the speedo is very picky about the wave form or even the voltage so long as it sees pulses.
Old 07-11-2009 | 10:51 PM
  #19  
jimbo486's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,389
Likes: 114
From: Orange County, California
Originally Posted by wannadiesel
Jimbo, you are going to have to use the ABS speed sensor in the diff which is a different animal from the VSS. Still generates a low voltage signal though.

I think that box is about the only way I've seen to do that. I bet it'll work.
i'd sure hate to tap into the signal wire and it not work though . not saying that it won't at all. but after reading the installation instructions for the interface, it says not to use it in conjunction with an abs system. as quoted in the description...

"If your vehicle is equipped with an anti-lock braking system (ABS), it is generally advised to ensure the signal reaching the ABS controller is not altered to eliminate any potential problems affecting control algorithms within the system. Some vehicles also utilize the output shaft speed to calculate transmission slip and lock-up. When a signal feeding the PCM is altered, this may cause the PCM to detect a constant slip. Consulting a service manual may be of assistance in determining the signal routing within the vehicle if the SGI-5 is decided to be used in a situation such as this."

i have no pcm to worry about though. but again, i'd hate to tap the signal wire and screw up my system somehow.
Old 07-11-2009 | 11:07 PM
  #20  
Jim Lane's Avatar
Administrator
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,083
Likes: 232
From: Southern California
Here is some information on Speed Sensors; they all seem to have outputs that generate pulses varying from both Square Wave and Sine Wave AC outputs and the higher the pulse count per mile the higher the resolution.

Since the speedometer in manufactured by VDO this is what I am basing my theory from, maybe sometime I can spin my VSS and check the output on my oscilloscope.

http://www.egauges.com/pdf/vdo/0-511-011-348.pdf

http://www.jagsthatrun.com/V8-chapte...ed-Sensors.pdf

This place has Ratio Adapters that some of the members have asked where to get.

http://www.partshp.com/speedometer_gears.htm

The speedometer will probably work just looking at a string of pulses.

Jim
Old 07-11-2009 | 11:11 PM
  #21  
peobryant's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,506
Likes: 0
From: Goshen, Ky
Originally Posted by sdstriper
If it's a 1990 Cummins truck it is/was a cable drive unit. Unless someone put a newer instrument cluster in.
Are you sure about that? I've always read it was only the '89 trucks that had the cable driven speedo.

While we're on the subject (kind of) can someone post a picture of their '90 instrument cluster? Is it the same as the '89 or is '90 the year they changed?

Thanks (sorry for the threadjack)
Old 07-12-2009 | 12:48 AM
  #22  
jimbo486's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,389
Likes: 114
From: Orange County, California
here's my dash....

Old 07-12-2009 | 07:35 AM
  #23  
wannadiesel's Avatar
Adminstrator-ess
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 22,594
Likes: 17
From: New Holland, PA
Originally Posted by jimbo486
i'd sure hate to tap into the signal wire and it not work though . not saying that it won't at all. but after reading the installation instructions for the interface, it says not to use it in conjunction with an abs system. as quoted in the description... No, it says to be careful and think about what you are doing.

"If your vehicle is equipped with an anti-lock braking system (ABS), it is generally advised to ensure the signal reaching the ABS controller is not altered to eliminate any potential problems affecting control algorithms within the system. You aren't using it to alter the signal to the RWAL box, you are using it to send a signal to the speedo. They just don't want it in series between the ABS controller and the sensor, but that's not how you are going to use it. Splicing into the wires will not alter the signal reaching the RWAL box. Some vehicles also utilize the output shaft speed to calculate transmission slip and lock-up. When a signal feeding the PCM is altered, this may cause the PCM to detect a constant slip. There's no issue with the PCM and ABS controller confusing each other because they don't "talk" to one another like the PCM and BCM on newer vehicles do. Our PCM and RWAL boxes are standalone units. Consulting a service manual may be of assistance in determining the signal routing within the vehicle if the SGI-5 is decided to be used in a situation such as this." That's what I did for you.

i have no pcm to worry about though. but again, i'd hate to tap the signal wire and screw up my system somehow.
My comments in red. No need to be timid, try the box!
Old 07-12-2009 | 07:39 AM
  #24  
wannadiesel's Avatar
Adminstrator-ess
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 22,594
Likes: 17
From: New Holland, PA
Originally Posted by '91 1st Gen
Are you sure about that? I've always read it was only the '89 trucks that had the cable driven speedo.

While we're on the subject (kind of) can someone post a picture of their '90 instrument cluster? Is it the same as the '89 or is '90 the year they changed?

Thanks (sorry for the threadjack)
'90 was the first year for the electronic speedo. Of the factory Cummins trucks, only '89's would have the cable drive speedo. It doesn't really look any different from the driver's seat.
Old 07-12-2009 | 09:40 AM
  #25  
jimbo486's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,389
Likes: 114
From: Orange County, California
Originally Posted by wannadiesel
My comments in red. No need to be timid, try the box!
thanks dave! so where to tap in is my next question? should i tap in around the sensor in the rear end or somewhere up near the cab? if i can follow the wires up near the cab and tap in there, that would help being able to calibrate it as i could keep it on the seat next to me to adjust it.
Old 07-12-2009 | 10:02 AM
  #26  
wannadiesel's Avatar
Adminstrator-ess
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 22,594
Likes: 17
From: New Holland, PA
I'd use the "rolls" connector right by the hood release.
Old 07-12-2009 | 10:06 AM
  #27  
jimbo486's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,389
Likes: 114
From: Orange County, California
what does it look like and what color wiring? sorry for all the questions. not very electrical savvy.
Old 07-12-2009 | 10:47 AM
  #28  
wannadiesel's Avatar
Adminstrator-ess
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 22,594
Likes: 17
From: New Holland, PA
It's a little 2 wire plug right under the dash. The wires are red/purple and white/purple I think. The giveaway is that the wires leading to it are twisted together.
Old 07-12-2009 | 04:22 PM
  #29  
jimbo486's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,389
Likes: 114
From: Orange County, California
thanks again dave. so the abs controller is under the dash i take it? is there a constant 12v to one of the wires with the ignition on? and would that be the wire i tap into?
Old 07-12-2009 | 04:28 PM
  #30  
sdstriper's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 620
Likes: 0
From: Sioux Falls, South Dakota
ABS controller is behind the glove box.


Quick Reply: speedometer info



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:26 AM.