speedometer info
#16
Jimbo, you are going to have to use the ABS speed sensor in the diff which is a different animal from the VSS. Still generates a low voltage signal though.
I think that box is about the only way I've seen to do that. I bet it'll work.
I think that box is about the only way I've seen to do that. I bet it'll work.
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i do too. just lazy feeling right now and figured i could get a faster answer from the gurus here . i wasn't trying to argue with you about it for sure. guess i should've stated that it had a getrag in the beginning. i'd appreciate any info about it if you so happen to find a pulse spec
#18
The box will be changing the pulse rate, not the voltage. I doubt the speedo is very picky about the wave form or even the voltage so long as it sees pulses.
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"If your vehicle is equipped with an anti-lock braking system (ABS), it is generally advised to ensure the signal reaching the ABS controller is not altered to eliminate any potential problems affecting control algorithms within the system. Some vehicles also utilize the output shaft speed to calculate transmission slip and lock-up. When a signal feeding the PCM is altered, this may cause the PCM to detect a constant slip. Consulting a service manual may be of assistance in determining the signal routing within the vehicle if the SGI-5 is decided to be used in a situation such as this."
i have no pcm to worry about though. but again, i'd hate to tap the signal wire and screw up my system somehow.
#20
Here is some information on Speed Sensors; they all seem to have outputs that generate pulses varying from both Square Wave and Sine Wave AC outputs and the higher the pulse count per mile the higher the resolution.
Since the speedometer in manufactured by VDO this is what I am basing my theory from, maybe sometime I can spin my VSS and check the output on my oscilloscope.
http://www.egauges.com/pdf/vdo/0-511-011-348.pdf
http://www.jagsthatrun.com/V8-chapte...ed-Sensors.pdf
This place has Ratio Adapters that some of the members have asked where to get.
http://www.partshp.com/speedometer_gears.htm
The speedometer will probably work just looking at a string of pulses.
Jim
Since the speedometer in manufactured by VDO this is what I am basing my theory from, maybe sometime I can spin my VSS and check the output on my oscilloscope.
http://www.egauges.com/pdf/vdo/0-511-011-348.pdf
http://www.jagsthatrun.com/V8-chapte...ed-Sensors.pdf
This place has Ratio Adapters that some of the members have asked where to get.
http://www.partshp.com/speedometer_gears.htm
The speedometer will probably work just looking at a string of pulses.
Jim
#21
While we're on the subject (kind of) can someone post a picture of their '90 instrument cluster? Is it the same as the '89 or is '90 the year they changed?
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#23
i'd sure hate to tap into the signal wire and it not work though . not saying that it won't at all. but after reading the installation instructions for the interface, it says not to use it in conjunction with an abs system. as quoted in the description... No, it says to be careful and think about what you are doing.
"If your vehicle is equipped with an anti-lock braking system (ABS), it is generally advised to ensure the signal reaching the ABS controller is not altered to eliminate any potential problems affecting control algorithms within the system. You aren't using it to alter the signal to the RWAL box, you are using it to send a signal to the speedo. They just don't want it in series between the ABS controller and the sensor, but that's not how you are going to use it. Splicing into the wires will not alter the signal reaching the RWAL box. Some vehicles also utilize the output shaft speed to calculate transmission slip and lock-up. When a signal feeding the PCM is altered, this may cause the PCM to detect a constant slip. There's no issue with the PCM and ABS controller confusing each other because they don't "talk" to one another like the PCM and BCM on newer vehicles do. Our PCM and RWAL boxes are standalone units. Consulting a service manual may be of assistance in determining the signal routing within the vehicle if the SGI-5 is decided to be used in a situation such as this." That's what I did for you.
i have no pcm to worry about though. but again, i'd hate to tap the signal wire and screw up my system somehow.
"If your vehicle is equipped with an anti-lock braking system (ABS), it is generally advised to ensure the signal reaching the ABS controller is not altered to eliminate any potential problems affecting control algorithms within the system. You aren't using it to alter the signal to the RWAL box, you are using it to send a signal to the speedo. They just don't want it in series between the ABS controller and the sensor, but that's not how you are going to use it. Splicing into the wires will not alter the signal reaching the RWAL box. Some vehicles also utilize the output shaft speed to calculate transmission slip and lock-up. When a signal feeding the PCM is altered, this may cause the PCM to detect a constant slip. There's no issue with the PCM and ABS controller confusing each other because they don't "talk" to one another like the PCM and BCM on newer vehicles do. Our PCM and RWAL boxes are standalone units. Consulting a service manual may be of assistance in determining the signal routing within the vehicle if the SGI-5 is decided to be used in a situation such as this." That's what I did for you.
i have no pcm to worry about though. but again, i'd hate to tap the signal wire and screw up my system somehow.
#24
Are you sure about that? I've always read it was only the '89 trucks that had the cable driven speedo.
While we're on the subject (kind of) can someone post a picture of their '90 instrument cluster? Is it the same as the '89 or is '90 the year they changed?
Thanks (sorry for the threadjack)
While we're on the subject (kind of) can someone post a picture of their '90 instrument cluster? Is it the same as the '89 or is '90 the year they changed?
Thanks (sorry for the threadjack)
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thanks dave! so where to tap in is my next question? should i tap in around the sensor in the rear end or somewhere up near the cab? if i can follow the wires up near the cab and tap in there, that would help being able to calibrate it as i could keep it on the seat next to me to adjust it.
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thanks again dave. so the abs controller is under the dash i take it? is there a constant 12v to one of the wires with the ignition on? and would that be the wire i tap into?