new peeps including me. who will leave next
09-20-2011, 05:22 PM
#106
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IIRC the 6.9 was rated at 325 lb.-ft/155 hp. On a set of rollers in second I saw all ov 109 hp out of mine
A 4BT would serve me quite well. I wish I could discover how easy it is to drop the 6BT in favour of the smaller one. That would leave me capable of near 30 mpg I suspect and let me quit worrying about bits of the drivetrain.
As far as needing so much power, check out what the big trucks get away with. Scale it on a hp/weight ratio and I suspect we'd be left with an IDI VW motor making 48 or perhaps 52 hp...heh-heh-heh.
cheers,
Douglas
A 4BT would serve me quite well. I wish I could discover how easy it is to drop the 6BT in favour of the smaller one. That would leave me capable of near 30 mpg I suspect and let me quit worrying about bits of the drivetrain.As far as needing so much power, check out what the big trucks get away with. Scale it on a hp/weight ratio and I suspect we'd be left with an IDI VW motor making 48 or perhaps 52 hp...heh-heh-heh.
cheers,
Douglas
1st Gens:
160hp/400ft lbs of tq
Weight 6000 (What I weighed in at)
1hp/37.5 lbs
1ft lbs of tq/15 lbs
4th Gens
350hp/800ft lbs of tq
Weight 7000 (GVWR minus Payload)
1hp/20lbs
1ft lbs of tq/8.75ft lbs of tq
85 VW Golf 1.6L NA
52hp/71ft lbs of tq
Weight 2445 (Wikipedia)
1hp/47.01lbs
1ft lbs of tq/34.43
Benefit of the doubt
85 VW Golf 1.6L TURBO'd
68hp/91ft lbs of tq
2445 lbs
1hp/35.95lbs
1ft lbs of tq/26.86lbs
Our 1st Gens are the closest to the VW IDI. We get better mileage do to NO emission crap in the intake and exhaust and because we are LIGHT.
You can say all you want about not needing 800ft lbs of torque in your 1st Gen but ask me that when you need to move a load into traffic. Cry about them being heavier and towing more than you but they are designed to take-off and stop better with more weight.
Personally, I think 1st Gens are not towing monsters in stock form. Now, there is NOTHING wrong with getting the truck up to 4th Gen status. Get bigger brakes, more power, and get just as good of mileage as a CR 6.7L with all the emissions deleted.
10-09-2011, 01:57 AM
#107
I've thought about this too, although my rig only has to tow it's own weight (for now). I told a buddy about getting 27mpg with mine, and he said "Well you can't rightly sell that!" and I am inclined to agree. I just don't know whether my 1st gen will be a hot rod or tow rig or what, after it gets through with its life as a magazine project build. Right now the idle haze is the only annoying thing with the truck, and even that wouldn't be an issue if I lived outside of Metro Los Angeles.
10-09-2011, 10:09 AM
#108
Registered User
The big gain you got with gigle juice versus straight k2 tells me that you need a lot more air. By the numbers, if you can get more air going into those ported intake ports you should be able to get in the 600's on straight fuel. just my $.02
Awesome numbers though.
Awesome numbers though.
10-09-2011, 08:45 PM
#109
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hey firestar,, a fella hitched a ride the other day, saw the stickers by the vent wings,( DO NOT OPEN),what's with the stickers he ask? (I said) came with the truck,,,,,new,,lol,him too.
10-09-2011, 09:38 PM
#110
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I'v been 1st gen. owner just over 2 yrs., I'v been a 1st genner since they came out , now i have 2 , my grnd kids, love the d350 (da buss),the wife likes her 150----people ask about the trucks or tell me they wish they still had their's,,,I love'm the only i'll sell one is so i can buy another one to replenish my addiction. Haveing never met anyone of you (in person) i still feel at home(or shop)with ya'll. THANKS !!!
10-09-2011, 09:50 PM
#113
well just kept going back looking at old posts.......2002 stuff.
and well didnt reconize too many names.
iam relatively new to the first gen scene too.
i guess the cheap guys and the young crowd pic up first gens bomb the heck out of them..then upgrade..i can see it hapening to me soon.
its hard to compete with new stuff yes it breaks more costs more to buy more to run etc etc.......but those comforts are worth it
ride in a new duramax with a tune
will blow the doors off my first gen all while the heated seats are on.
and iam into mine for $16k
either i need to spend more money or give up and pass her along
so the question is..............HOW long have you owned your truck............and plan on owning it.
and well didnt reconize too many names.
iam relatively new to the first gen scene too.
i guess the cheap guys and the young crowd pic up first gens bomb the heck out of them..then upgrade..i can see it hapening to me soon.
its hard to compete with new stuff yes it breaks more costs more to buy more to run etc etc.......but those comforts are worth it
ride in a new duramax with a tune
will blow the doors off my first gen all while the heated seats are on.
and iam into mine for $16k
either i need to spend more money or give up and pass her along
so the question is..............HOW long have you owned your truck............and plan on owning it.
10-09-2011, 09:51 PM
#114
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basicly who's going to sell or jump ship from a first gen to a 4th gen Dodge I saw Why not have Both 1 for a Toy other for family that's what mine is going to be 
10-09-2011, 09:57 PM
#115
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I can't justify paying 60K for a pickup truck. If I put 15K into my truck it would have another color sanded paint job and be perfect. As it is, I keep driving it and it keeps running, just rolled to 377K Friday, and I can tell you that no Dmax around her with a tune can beat my truck, non that I have seen anyway.
10-09-2011, 11:32 PM
#118
Registered User
Are we a bunch of paranoid nuts?....
If these statements say we are, then I fit right in....
Funny I was chatting with the wife the other night and both of these statemnets came up.
10-10-2011, 12:38 AM
#119
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Don't get me wrong guy's I hand built my first crewcab then sold it and bought our 08 Yes I love the new truck's but the reason I am building Another crewcab is I enjoy the challenge of building it taking truck's apart and making 3 or 4 truck's into 1 N No This time I won't ever sell it I just love the sound of a Clean straight piped 12 V
10-10-2011, 01:31 AM
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i honestly thing i have seen more "vetrans" post in the last few weeks then ever.
i think it might be this thread that jump started it................or at least id like to think so
I fell in love with my truck again..........it just took watching my buddy's common rail fail numerous times in the last month did it, he had warranty..........but that wont last forever.
oh ya i pulled away from a new 6.7L pulling a HUGE mountain pass...........seen 1600* for a bit though
id just like to say
KEEP THE GOOD TECH AND POSTS GOING!!!
i think it might be this thread that jump started it................or at least id like to think so
I fell in love with my truck again..........it just took watching my buddy's common rail fail numerous times in the last month did it, he had warranty..........but that wont last forever.
oh ya i pulled away from a new 6.7L pulling a HUGE mountain pass...........seen 1600* for a bit though
id just like to say
KEEP THE GOOD TECH AND POSTS GOING!!!