Deep vs double deep auto tranny pan?
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And if you don't mind the factory sheetmetal pan, just get a drain plug kit. I put them in every auto trans vehicle I have to service - it saves a lot of mess. You still have to take the pan down to change the filter, but at least there's only a little fluid left in the bottom instead of the Niagara Falls of ATF...
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For a much less expensive basic "No Frills" 4qt additional capacity aluminum pan, consider this one ~ http://store.summitracing.com/partde...0&autoview=sku (Includes pick-up spacer).
I run one and it serves me well for what it is.
As is, it does not include an additional bung for a sensor but you can add this kit to take care of that. ~ http://store.summitracing.com/egnsea...DS=1&N=700+115
Hope this helps.
I run one and it serves me well for what it is.
As is, it does not include an additional bung for a sensor but you can add this kit to take care of that. ~ http://store.summitracing.com/egnsea...DS=1&N=700+115
Hope this helps.
Thanks to those that replied again with the temp sensor location. This is the most common misconception from what I read. Pressure out or hot out line is the only way to get a correct reading.
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Hmmm, glad I asked. Looks like I will ditch the the double deep idea and maybe even the single deep pan and redirect the $$. One reason for the pans was to clean up my guage wiring by moving the dipstick sensor to the pan. But now I'm thinking move it to the line like bigragu says. Isn't there a sticky or an old thread about how/where to tap into that line somewhere? I'll look and see.
Never would have thought that adding fluid would increase the temps but now that its said I can see how that might work that way. I'll look into Derale and compare it to the stacked plate design Long has.
I would rather, and probably should, sink the $ into a TC and valve body etc. But Its hard to start down that slippery slope when the tranny works and a cooler is cheaper. But then again, think of the change in power, shifting, pulling....oh yean $$$$ .
Thanks guys, you have saved me some money and time - unless I go for that TC...
Never would have thought that adding fluid would increase the temps but now that its said I can see how that might work that way. I'll look into Derale and compare it to the stacked plate design Long has.
I would rather, and probably should, sink the $ into a TC and valve body etc. But Its hard to start down that slippery slope when the tranny works and a cooler is cheaper. But then again, think of the change in power, shifting, pulling....oh yean $$$$ .
Thanks guys, you have saved me some money and time - unless I go for that TC...
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Pulling a hill with a 6,000# boat or 10,000# of hay or beef I can pretty easily climb to 225* and will spike to 250-255* if not carefull. I don't think I'm turning my OD off soon enough. Probably should start at the bottom of the hill and not wait until temps climb. Thats tough to do sometimes, turning the cargo light on doesn't seem to affect the OD . I plan to move the button to the shift lever ASAP. From what I have read, 225-250* is when you start affecting the fluid and its toast after that.
Never thought about adding a drain plug to my stock pan, which is what I guess I'll stick with now since the extra fluid ain't necessarily a bonus and the sensor port isn't needed if you move it to the stock in-line sensor port.
Based on this discussion, here's the plan:
Stock pan w/drain plug
Temp sensor install in old OD spot (tie up the old sensor)
Derale cooler w/fan
Cab switch for fan
LED indicator lights in gauge pod wired to OD and fan
BTW, I did ask Santy for a deep pan but I guess I was naughty last year .
I guess the best route to plumb in a cooler is the stock way? Anybody have problems over cooling the fluid with aftermarket coolers?
And if the dip stick sensor reads 250*, what do you reckon the hot line temp is?????
For a much less expensive basic "No Frills" 4qt additional capacity aluminum pan, consider this one ~ http://store.summitracing.com/partde...0&autoview=sku (Includes pick-up spacer).
I run one and it serves me well for what it is.
As is, it does not include an additional bung for a sensor but you can add this kit to take care of that. ~ http://store.summitracing.com/egnsea...DS=1&N=700+115
Hope this helps.
I run one and it serves me well for what it is.
As is, it does not include an additional bung for a sensor but you can add this kit to take care of that. ~ http://store.summitracing.com/egnsea...DS=1&N=700+115
Hope this helps.
Based on this discussion, here's the plan:
Stock pan w/drain plug
Temp sensor install in old OD spot (tie up the old sensor)
Derale cooler w/fan
Cab switch for fan
LED indicator lights in gauge pod wired to OD and fan
BTW, I did ask Santy for a deep pan but I guess I was naughty last year .
I guess the best route to plumb in a cooler is the stock way? Anybody have problems over cooling the fluid with aftermarket coolers?
And if the dip stick sensor reads 250*, what do you reckon the hot line temp is?????
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I have pictures of where I installed the gauge probe in my gallery, but am too stupid to figure out how to stick the pictures in a thread. I,m not near my FSM right now but I remember 280 degrees F is when the OD is cut out.
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What does the measurement -8AN stand for?
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Anything you do to increase fluid capacity, whether it is bigger pans or extra coolers and their associated plumbing is going to be beneficial to the transmission in the long run. The more fluid in the sump the longer it will last between changes under any conditions, be they excessive heat, severe service, whatever.
I believe that thinking you are saving money by using fewer quarts at drain time is what we call a "false economy." If you are changing the fluid at a reasonable interval, it probably doesn't really matter in the short run. But an extra quart or two of fluid will go a long ways towards extending the overall life of the unit when heat, hard work and small leaks all combine to stress that tranny. How many here would claim they can pefectly gauge their drain interval requirement with their specific operating conditions? Or are doing consistent UOAs on the trans fluid? Ask that question to 10 different people and likely you'll get close to that many different answers.
Just ask yourself if you'd rather save a few bucks every couple years on the fluid, or be spending thousands for a rebuild a couple years sooner. Cheap insurance?
Just my $.02
I believe that thinking you are saving money by using fewer quarts at drain time is what we call a "false economy." If you are changing the fluid at a reasonable interval, it probably doesn't really matter in the short run. But an extra quart or two of fluid will go a long ways towards extending the overall life of the unit when heat, hard work and small leaks all combine to stress that tranny. How many here would claim they can pefectly gauge their drain interval requirement with their specific operating conditions? Or are doing consistent UOAs on the trans fluid? Ask that question to 10 different people and likely you'll get close to that many different answers.
Just ask yourself if you'd rather save a few bucks every couple years on the fluid, or be spending thousands for a rebuild a couple years sooner. Cheap insurance?
Just my $.02
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