white smoke and no start after timing
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white smoke and no start after timing
i had a bad oil leak behind my timing cover, i pulled everything apart, pin the motor but not the pump, i replaced the gaskets thats needed to be replaced, put everything back together, truck fired up, smoked crazy white,ran good for about 6 miles, figured timing gear had slipped, bought the timing tools, timed the motor to 16degrees, go to start the truck and just rolls over, and while rolling its smoking a greying white. whats everyones thoughts, timing job done incorrectly, air locked fuel lines, cam shaft out of line, injection pump was rebuilt maybe 30000miles ago. I'm at a stand still and need some advice
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Go back to square one, set at TDC, pull the injection pump plug and with a mirror check to see if injection pump is in center of hole as in the picture. That should put the timing of pump in the ball park, then install your tool into #1 at the injection pump and follow the procedure.
FUEL INJECTION PUMP TIMING
Thoroughly clean the engine and fuel system before attempting to remove any components. Pay special attention to the top of the fuel injection pump. Use compressed air to remove any water remaining on the fuel pump after the cleaning process
CAUTION: DO NOT ALLOW ANY DIRT, DEBRIS, OR PAINT CHIPS TO ENTER THE FUEL SYSTEM WHILE IT IS OPEN. IF FOREIGN MATERIAL OF ANY TYPE IS ALLOWED INTO THE PUMP, LINES OR INJECTORS DURING THIS PROCESS IT COULD RESULT IN AN INJECTION PUMP OR FUEL INJECTOR MALFUNCTION.
NOTE: Locate top dead center (TDC) on cylinder #1.
Remove the rubber access plug located in the rear flange of the engine on the exhaust manifold side. Rotating Engine With Barring Tool
NOTE: Removing the #1 cylinder valve cover and first barring (rotating) the engine clockwise until both intake and exhaust valves are closed will speed up locating engine TDC as described later in step 4.
Insert the barring tool number 7471B through the access hole and into the flywheel housing Rotating Engine With Barring Tool
While holding tension on the timing pin (toward front of engine), slowly rotate the engine counterclockwise with the barring tool. Hold a slight rearward (pushing) pressure on the barring tool and continue to rotate the tool counterclockwise until the timing pin drops into the machined hole in the back of the camshaft gear. When the barring tool is rotated counterclockwise, the vibration damper should be rotating clockwise as viewed from front. When the pin aligns to the gear Back of Camshaft Gear - Typical , and the intake and exhaust valves are closed at the #1 cylinder, the engine is at the TDC position (compression stroke) at cylinder number 1. Place a paint mark on the dampener to indicate TDC. This mark is to be used as a reference point only and is not to be used for actual pump timing procedure. Remove the pin. This will prevent damage when barring (rotating) the engine in later steps.
NOTE: The pin is located above the power steering pump, below and to the inside of the fuel injection pump, on the rear of the cam gear housing Timing Pin and Location
Remove #1 fuel injection line from the fuel pump Number 1 Injection Line
CAUTION: DO NOT BEND THE FUEL LINE. BENDING THE LINE WILL CAUSE LINE OR INJECTOR FAILURE.
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With the engine at TDC, loosen but do not remove, the front (#1) delivery valve holder using special socket #6840 Delivery Valve Holder Removal Remove the socket from the valve holder prior to removing the holder from the injection pump.
There is an external o-ring on the holder to help prevent debris from getting into the pump. This may create a slight resistance as the holder is unscrewed.
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Remove the delivery valve holder by carefully tipping the holder outboard with one hand while using the other hand to hold the spring, fill piece, and any shims from slipping out of the holder. Place these parts Delivery Valve Holder as an assembly on a clean surface.
Using a magnet, remove the two piece delivery valve assembly from the pump Delivery Valve Assembly Place these parts on a clean surface..
Install the dial indicator adaptor tool #6842 Installing Special Adapter Tool in place of the #1 delivery valve holder and tighten finger tight..
Loosen the set screw on the dial indicator adaptor Installing Special Adapter Tool Install the dial indicator #6859 and dial indicator tip #6843 into the adapter. Position the dial indicator to read between 7.0 and 9.0 mm and tighten the set screw Installing Special Adapter Tool The dial indicator is capable of measuring from 0-20.00 mm lift. The small inner dial is marked in increments of 1 mm. The large outer dial is marked in increments of 0.01 mm. One revolution of the outer dial is equal to 1 mm. The inner dial only indicates 0-10 mm, but will rotate twice as the indicator goes through the full range.
Be sure the timing pin is disengaged before rotating the engine to avoid damage to the timing pin.
Using the engine barring tool #7471B, rotate the engine in the direction opposite normal direction of engine rotation (counterclockwise from front of engine) 1/4 turn or until you see the dial indicator reading stop dropping. This is the inner base circle of the injection pump cam. Zero the indicator and note the reading on the small inner dial Setting Dial Indicator
Slowly rotate engine clockwise to TDC. When at TDC, the timing pin should easily push into machined hole in back of camshaft gear. Pull pin from gear after verifying TDC position.
Note the pump lift setting on the dial indicator Setting Dial Indicator
Note the injection pump CPL number and "Timing-TDC" specification (in degrees) stamped into the engine data plate. The engine data plate is located on the left side of the timing gear cover Engine Data Plate and CPL Number
Refer to the Fuel Injection Pump Plunger Lift charts. The charts contain a nominal timing specification and a pump plunger lift tolerance specification.
If reading on dial indicator, and specification for pump plunger lift match, a fuel timing adjustment will not be necessary. Proceed to Step 26.
If reading and specifications do not match, a fuel timing adjustment will be necessary. Proceed to next step
FUEL INJECTION PUMP PLUNGER LIFT - 49 STATE AUTO. TRANS. AND ALL CALIFOR. EGR EQUIPPED ENGINES
CPL 2174 AND 2308 (CALIFORNIA)
STATIC TIMING (DEGREES BTDC) PLUNGER LIFT AT TDC
14.0 (NOMINAL) 4.29 mm-4.61 mm
FUEL INJECTION PUMP PLUNGER LIFT - 49 STATE MANUAL TRANSMISSION
CPL 2175
STATIC TIMING (DEGREES BTDC) PLUNGER LIFT AT TDC
13.5 (NOMINAL) 4.89 mm-5.25 mm
Adjusting Timing:
Remove the oil filler tube Oil Filler Tube and adapter elbow from the front of the timing gear housing..
Loosen the injection pump shaft nut (use the barring tool to keep the engine from rotating) Before removing pump nut or washer, place a magnet to the end of the injection pump shaft Positioning Magnet to Pump Shaft This will prevent the nut or washer from falling into the timing gear cover which will require engine disassembly for recovery.
Position a magnet to the end of the injection pump shaft. Install the special bearing and thrust washer kit #6862 Bearing/Thrust Washer Tools over the injection pump shaft in this order: 1 thrust washer-1 bearing-1 thrust washer. The thrust washer/bearing kit is used to prevent the pump gear from rotating on the pump shaft when tightening the pump nut (step 22) Reinstall pump shaft nut allowing some clearance between the thrust washers. Do not tighten nut at this time.
Slowly rotate the engine clockwise until reaching the required lift setting on the dial indicator. Refer to Fuel Injection Pump Plunger Lift charts. The injection pump should rotate with the engine since the injection pump gear is still locked to the injection pump shaft.
With the injection pump at the correct plunger lift setting, use special gear puller tool #L-4407A to pull the injection pump gear off the taper of the injection pump input shaft. Leave the gear puller installed Gear Puller Tool Installed After the gear has been pulled, ensure the lift setting has not changed..
Rotate the engine 20 to 30 degrees counterclockwise, then rotate the engine back clockwise to TDC Rotating Crankshaft This removes backlash from the geartrain.
The fuel pump gear and pump shaft tapers must be absolutely clean, dry and free of any oil or dirt. Oil or dirt will prevent seating of the taper and will result in possible slippage of the gear.
Loosen, but do not remove the gear puller tool bolts. Using the gear puller, rotate pump gear counterclockwise by hand Rotating Injection Pump Gear , while pushing the gear onto the pump shaft. This will remove backlash between the injection pump and camshaft gears..
Hand tighten the pump shaft nut Removing Gear Puller Tool Remove the gear puller Removing Gear Puller Tool
Tighten the pump shaft nut to 15 N·m (11 lb. ft.) torque to seat the gear to the pump shaft taper Tightening Pump Nut
Remove injection pump shaft nut. Use a magnet on the end of the shaft while removing Positioning Magnet to Pump Shaft
Remove special bearing and thrust washers #6862 from pump shaft. Use a magnet on the end of the shaft while removing.
While preventing the engine from rotating with the barring tool, tighten the shaft nut to 195 N·m (144 lb. ft.) torque Tightening Pump Nut
Repeat steps 12 and 13 to verify that the final timing setting is correct. If the setting is not correct, repeat steps 15 through 25.
Remove the dial indicator and adaptor from the injection pump
CAUTION: THE FOLLOWING INSTALLATION AND TORQUING PROCEDURE MUST BE FOLLOWED EXACTLY. IMPROPER INSTALLATION OF THE DELIVERY VALVE WILL RESULT IN DAMAGE OR LEAKS.
Install the delivery valve assembly on top of the sealing washer Delivery Valve Assembly or Delivery Valve Assembly .
Lubricate the threads and clamping surface of the delivery valve holder with a few drops of SAE 90 hypoid gear oil. Do not lubricate the metal delivery valve washer or its seating area.
Install the delivery valve holder assembly taking care not to displace the delivery valve spring, fill piece, or any shims Delivery Valve Holder .
Pre-tighten the delivery valve holder to 40 N·m (29 lb. ft.) torque Tightening Delivery Valve Holder Next, in one motion, tighten the holder to 115 N·m (85 ft. lbs.) torque Tightening Delivery Valve Holder .
Install remaining engine components removed during the timing process. Leave the injector end of the #1 high-pressure fuel line loose to facilitate bleeding the air out of the system
WARNING: THE PRESSURE OF THE FUEL IN THE LINE IS SUFFICIENT TO PENETRATE THE SKIN AND CAUSE SERIOUS BODILY HARM.
Crank the engine until fuel is observed at the #1 injector. Tighten the high-pressure line at the injector. Start the engine and check for leaks.
FUEL INJECTION PUMP TIMING
Thoroughly clean the engine and fuel system before attempting to remove any components. Pay special attention to the top of the fuel injection pump. Use compressed air to remove any water remaining on the fuel pump after the cleaning process
CAUTION: DO NOT ALLOW ANY DIRT, DEBRIS, OR PAINT CHIPS TO ENTER THE FUEL SYSTEM WHILE IT IS OPEN. IF FOREIGN MATERIAL OF ANY TYPE IS ALLOWED INTO THE PUMP, LINES OR INJECTORS DURING THIS PROCESS IT COULD RESULT IN AN INJECTION PUMP OR FUEL INJECTOR MALFUNCTION.
NOTE: Locate top dead center (TDC) on cylinder #1.
Remove the rubber access plug located in the rear flange of the engine on the exhaust manifold side. Rotating Engine With Barring Tool
NOTE: Removing the #1 cylinder valve cover and first barring (rotating) the engine clockwise until both intake and exhaust valves are closed will speed up locating engine TDC as described later in step 4.
Insert the barring tool number 7471B through the access hole and into the flywheel housing Rotating Engine With Barring Tool
While holding tension on the timing pin (toward front of engine), slowly rotate the engine counterclockwise with the barring tool. Hold a slight rearward (pushing) pressure on the barring tool and continue to rotate the tool counterclockwise until the timing pin drops into the machined hole in the back of the camshaft gear. When the barring tool is rotated counterclockwise, the vibration damper should be rotating clockwise as viewed from front. When the pin aligns to the gear Back of Camshaft Gear - Typical , and the intake and exhaust valves are closed at the #1 cylinder, the engine is at the TDC position (compression stroke) at cylinder number 1. Place a paint mark on the dampener to indicate TDC. This mark is to be used as a reference point only and is not to be used for actual pump timing procedure. Remove the pin. This will prevent damage when barring (rotating) the engine in later steps.
NOTE: The pin is located above the power steering pump, below and to the inside of the fuel injection pump, on the rear of the cam gear housing Timing Pin and Location
Remove #1 fuel injection line from the fuel pump Number 1 Injection Line
CAUTION: DO NOT BEND THE FUEL LINE. BENDING THE LINE WILL CAUSE LINE OR INJECTOR FAILURE.
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With the engine at TDC, loosen but do not remove, the front (#1) delivery valve holder using special socket #6840 Delivery Valve Holder Removal Remove the socket from the valve holder prior to removing the holder from the injection pump.
There is an external o-ring on the holder to help prevent debris from getting into the pump. This may create a slight resistance as the holder is unscrewed.
.
Remove the delivery valve holder by carefully tipping the holder outboard with one hand while using the other hand to hold the spring, fill piece, and any shims from slipping out of the holder. Place these parts Delivery Valve Holder as an assembly on a clean surface.
Using a magnet, remove the two piece delivery valve assembly from the pump Delivery Valve Assembly Place these parts on a clean surface..
Install the dial indicator adaptor tool #6842 Installing Special Adapter Tool in place of the #1 delivery valve holder and tighten finger tight..
Loosen the set screw on the dial indicator adaptor Installing Special Adapter Tool Install the dial indicator #6859 and dial indicator tip #6843 into the adapter. Position the dial indicator to read between 7.0 and 9.0 mm and tighten the set screw Installing Special Adapter Tool The dial indicator is capable of measuring from 0-20.00 mm lift. The small inner dial is marked in increments of 1 mm. The large outer dial is marked in increments of 0.01 mm. One revolution of the outer dial is equal to 1 mm. The inner dial only indicates 0-10 mm, but will rotate twice as the indicator goes through the full range.
Be sure the timing pin is disengaged before rotating the engine to avoid damage to the timing pin.
Using the engine barring tool #7471B, rotate the engine in the direction opposite normal direction of engine rotation (counterclockwise from front of engine) 1/4 turn or until you see the dial indicator reading stop dropping. This is the inner base circle of the injection pump cam. Zero the indicator and note the reading on the small inner dial Setting Dial Indicator
Slowly rotate engine clockwise to TDC. When at TDC, the timing pin should easily push into machined hole in back of camshaft gear. Pull pin from gear after verifying TDC position.
Note the pump lift setting on the dial indicator Setting Dial Indicator
Note the injection pump CPL number and "Timing-TDC" specification (in degrees) stamped into the engine data plate. The engine data plate is located on the left side of the timing gear cover Engine Data Plate and CPL Number
Refer to the Fuel Injection Pump Plunger Lift charts. The charts contain a nominal timing specification and a pump plunger lift tolerance specification.
If reading on dial indicator, and specification for pump plunger lift match, a fuel timing adjustment will not be necessary. Proceed to Step 26.
If reading and specifications do not match, a fuel timing adjustment will be necessary. Proceed to next step
FUEL INJECTION PUMP PLUNGER LIFT - 49 STATE AUTO. TRANS. AND ALL CALIFOR. EGR EQUIPPED ENGINES
CPL 2174 AND 2308 (CALIFORNIA)
STATIC TIMING (DEGREES BTDC) PLUNGER LIFT AT TDC
14.0 (NOMINAL) 4.29 mm-4.61 mm
FUEL INJECTION PUMP PLUNGER LIFT - 49 STATE MANUAL TRANSMISSION
CPL 2175
STATIC TIMING (DEGREES BTDC) PLUNGER LIFT AT TDC
13.5 (NOMINAL) 4.89 mm-5.25 mm
Adjusting Timing:
Remove the oil filler tube Oil Filler Tube and adapter elbow from the front of the timing gear housing..
Loosen the injection pump shaft nut (use the barring tool to keep the engine from rotating) Before removing pump nut or washer, place a magnet to the end of the injection pump shaft Positioning Magnet to Pump Shaft This will prevent the nut or washer from falling into the timing gear cover which will require engine disassembly for recovery.
Position a magnet to the end of the injection pump shaft. Install the special bearing and thrust washer kit #6862 Bearing/Thrust Washer Tools over the injection pump shaft in this order: 1 thrust washer-1 bearing-1 thrust washer. The thrust washer/bearing kit is used to prevent the pump gear from rotating on the pump shaft when tightening the pump nut (step 22) Reinstall pump shaft nut allowing some clearance between the thrust washers. Do not tighten nut at this time.
Slowly rotate the engine clockwise until reaching the required lift setting on the dial indicator. Refer to Fuel Injection Pump Plunger Lift charts. The injection pump should rotate with the engine since the injection pump gear is still locked to the injection pump shaft.
With the injection pump at the correct plunger lift setting, use special gear puller tool #L-4407A to pull the injection pump gear off the taper of the injection pump input shaft. Leave the gear puller installed Gear Puller Tool Installed After the gear has been pulled, ensure the lift setting has not changed..
Rotate the engine 20 to 30 degrees counterclockwise, then rotate the engine back clockwise to TDC Rotating Crankshaft This removes backlash from the geartrain.
The fuel pump gear and pump shaft tapers must be absolutely clean, dry and free of any oil or dirt. Oil or dirt will prevent seating of the taper and will result in possible slippage of the gear.
Loosen, but do not remove the gear puller tool bolts. Using the gear puller, rotate pump gear counterclockwise by hand Rotating Injection Pump Gear , while pushing the gear onto the pump shaft. This will remove backlash between the injection pump and camshaft gears..
Hand tighten the pump shaft nut Removing Gear Puller Tool Remove the gear puller Removing Gear Puller Tool
Tighten the pump shaft nut to 15 N·m (11 lb. ft.) torque to seat the gear to the pump shaft taper Tightening Pump Nut
Remove injection pump shaft nut. Use a magnet on the end of the shaft while removing Positioning Magnet to Pump Shaft
Remove special bearing and thrust washers #6862 from pump shaft. Use a magnet on the end of the shaft while removing.
While preventing the engine from rotating with the barring tool, tighten the shaft nut to 195 N·m (144 lb. ft.) torque Tightening Pump Nut
Repeat steps 12 and 13 to verify that the final timing setting is correct. If the setting is not correct, repeat steps 15 through 25.
Remove the dial indicator and adaptor from the injection pump
CAUTION: THE FOLLOWING INSTALLATION AND TORQUING PROCEDURE MUST BE FOLLOWED EXACTLY. IMPROPER INSTALLATION OF THE DELIVERY VALVE WILL RESULT IN DAMAGE OR LEAKS.
Install the delivery valve assembly on top of the sealing washer Delivery Valve Assembly or Delivery Valve Assembly .
Lubricate the threads and clamping surface of the delivery valve holder with a few drops of SAE 90 hypoid gear oil. Do not lubricate the metal delivery valve washer or its seating area.
Install the delivery valve holder assembly taking care not to displace the delivery valve spring, fill piece, or any shims Delivery Valve Holder .
Pre-tighten the delivery valve holder to 40 N·m (29 lb. ft.) torque Tightening Delivery Valve Holder Next, in one motion, tighten the holder to 115 N·m (85 ft. lbs.) torque Tightening Delivery Valve Holder .
Install remaining engine components removed during the timing process. Leave the injector end of the #1 high-pressure fuel line loose to facilitate bleeding the air out of the system
WARNING: THE PRESSURE OF THE FUEL IN THE LINE IS SUFFICIENT TO PENETRATE THE SKIN AND CAUSE SERIOUS BODILY HARM.
Crank the engine until fuel is observed at the #1 injector. Tighten the high-pressure line at the injector. Start the engine and check for leaks.
#3
so, i found TDC, removed #1 injection line, installed snap on dial indicator, barred engine over counterclockwise til dial stopped, 0'd indicator, barred engine over clockwise to TDC and gauge read .6mm which as i've read should be 16 degrees advanced, or am i missing something completely
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From: Sunny Southern California Land of Fruits and Nuts
5.25 mm is about 14 degrees how can .6mm be 16 degrees? do you mean 6 mm? your timing would be way off then. at .6 mm, Make sure any oil is removed from shaft and gear, remove cover again if you have to clean it. Any oil on these parts will cause the gear to slip again, gear and shaft must be absolutely clean and free of oil. Just a drop of oil could cause the gear to slip so clean it and then clean it again brake clean and air. Don't use any shop towels that may have oil on them.
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