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Old 01-19-2012 | 12:31 PM
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Fuel plate or not?

Question for yall. I have a 97 Ram 3500 that I wanna start buildint on. I have the boost, EGT, RPM and Oil temp guages from my totaled 92 that are going on soon. My question is the fuel plate. I read that you can slide it back for a small gain, get different plates from #0-#12 I think. But what happenes if I don't run it? Would she just smoke like a coal train with no real feelable gains? Thanks for all your opinions and advice.
Old 01-19-2012 | 12:45 PM
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Hey that guy,
Slide the fuel plate forward for a small increase (not back). Lots of guys run no fuel plate at all, although some "experts" advise against this. Some kind of pin that wears and breaks which will trash the pump. I don't know the internal workings of the pump well enough to make a judgement on that, but I don't trust it. If you have a stock turbo and do any towing, it won't help to run with no plate anyways because it's not a useable HP/Torque gain as EGT's sky-rocket under load. I'm running a home ground #100 plate in my truck in full forward position and it's enough to melt pistons under load (1250* at 18lbs boost towing, LOTS of pedal left, just no room for higher EGT's), but with a careful eye on the EGT's, it's a useful and substantial gain in power. Don't forget to add a boost elbow for more boost too, or it'll just smoke and EGT's will be way high.
BTW, a #100 plate will shred your lock up and direct clutches. Moving the stock plate forward all the way and adding a boost elbow is about all it will handle.... if you're not too hard on it. Turning the trans line pressure up some would help.
Old 01-19-2012 | 03:59 PM
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Some kind of pin that wears and breaks which will trash the pump.
False.
Old 01-20-2012 | 12:08 AM
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What is a boost elbow?
Old 01-20-2012 | 12:13 PM
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What is a boost elbow?
Screws into the turbo on the waste gate line. It reduces pressure to the waste gate keeping it closed longer so the turbo produces more boost because when you add fuel, you need to add air too.
Old 01-20-2012 | 11:14 PM
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can I simply pench the waste gate actuator shut and keep the wastegate colsed at all times.
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You can....... but with added fuel you definitely run a very high risk of over-speeding the turbo which will result in a small under-hood pipe bomb.
Old 01-23-2012 | 11:25 PM
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can I simply pench the waste gate actuator shut and keep the wastegate colsed at all times.
just watch the boost gauge and if it goes over 35 psi lift off the throttle.
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False.
lol. id have to agree with tate on this one.
iv had my plate pulled for a while now with no adverse effects other than to the stock clutch
it does not smoke at all hardly, the only coal i get is after i slid my afc all the way forward, and im thinking of sliding it back a bit to help reduce low rpm smoke as i dont c any power increase with it forward. have hit 1250* on a flat drag race but thats the highest iv ever seen it. maybe if i was going up a hill or towing id run into high temps but its been giving me nothing but satisfaction trust me the gains are very feasable-just do something with the stock tranny first pls. ull kill it in a day otherwise. hp and tq roughly doubles with plate out.
Old 01-24-2012 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by that_guy
Question for yall. I have a 97 Ram 3500 that I wanna start buildint on. I have the boost, EGT, RPM and Oil temp guages from my totaled 92 that are going on soon. My question is the fuel plate. I read that you can slide it back for a small gain, get different plates from #0-#12 I think. But what happenes if I don't run it? Would she just smoke like a coal train with no real feelable gains? Thanks for all your opinions and advice.
I have a 95 12valve with a #2 fuel plate, 330hp marine injectors.with stock turbo but 4 inch exhaust, if i hold my foot in it very hard it will climb way past 1200 degrees, so first you have to consider EGT. Next if you don,t beef up your trans you will smoke it first thing, i built my own with a kit from ATS that changes the apply pressure and more clutches, also you will have to consider a different torque-convertor . I smoked my factory trans in one hour after my first fuel plate and injectors. just some thing to think about.
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